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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

There were only ten months in-between the shutdown and the election then. Not the year plus as of today. Back then, a year in which Clinton beat the pants off of Dole, the Republicans lost two House Seats and gained two Senate Seats. That shutdown meant nothing and had no effect what so ever on the 96 election.

This time, we/I/they have the internet to keep hope alive as well as what happened in 2010 when your base doesn't vote.
 
This is the first time I have heard of that. I mean that the defunding rider was dropped. If the defunding rider is no more, then what riders are the Dems talking about? The defunding rider is the only one I know of.

The "one year delay" rider.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

First of all, the ACA is a Republican plan that Republicans now oppose. So thanks for making my point.

And, second, those of us who are not racists see what the Right is doing. They are setting Washington ablaze and then pointing at the Black guy while screaming, "He did it!"

what now a racist card is being played?
 
They're balking at any delay of the individual mandate or more importantly, the removal of the 72% subsidy for Congress members and their staffs to enter the exchanges just as a regular citizen who are not covered by employer based health care will be required to do...

Delaying the individual mandate undermines the entire law. And cutting their own staff's healthcare is kind of a low blow by any means.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The PA governor apologizing for comparing Homosexuals to Heterosexuals in a way only a pedophile-coverer can could have been his last nail.
Mid-term/Mid-terms will be spun feverishly in a few weeks.
And, will you be watching the Braves laster?

Braves don't start until around 2140hrs. I have my radio next to the computer. There's something special about listening to the ballgames on radio. I think Corbett is history
 
As I've said all along, when those on both sides of the barbed-wire are being blamed equally by those who take Rightie positions on everything, that tells you all you need to know. Dems have had enough of the one-way treachory for 56 months and are in no mood to give away a default position.
 
I blame both sides.......as the old saying goes....."it takes two to tango"

I would imagine as we get closer to oct 17 things will come to a head.

Yeah, you're right; however, the saying actually goes, 'It takes two to fight." But that is why we have to, by default, blame the republicans; you can't blame the president at the end of the day; otherwise, you're just making America look bad! Okay, I have killed this thread, I'm going to pick a fight in the guns section where I will be happy to spank the right, again!
 
Delaying the individual mandate undermines the entire law.

The amount of revenue expected from the business mandate was estimated to be relatively equal, so how does the delay of the employer mandate not undermine the law?
 
They're balking at any delay of the individual mandate or more importantly, the removal of the 72% subsidy for Congress members and their staffs to enter the exchanges just as a regular citizen who are not covered by employer based health care will be required to do...

Somehow having congress under the same laws they pass, it is just too much to expect.
 
This time, we/I/they have the internet to keep hope alive as well as what happened in 2010 when your base doesn't vote.

We'll see. Right now I don't expect much movement one way or the other. I think if blame stays relative even, that won't change.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

And, second, those of us who are not racists see what the Right is doing. They are setting Washington ablaze and then pointing at the Black guy while screaming, "He did it!"

Yes the Democratic party is racist, Yes I admit there might be a few Dems that are not racist. History of racism is the Democratic party, glad to hear there are now a few that are starting to rise above racism.
 
The "one year delay" rider.

Hmm, so much for the mainstream media to give you any details. I think if the one year delay is good enough for corporations, it ought to be the same for the individual. Now don't go get me thinking, I might say something like who is in bed with corporations over the people now.

It's good not being able to think.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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Read the article cited in my post to which you responded. You need to.

A lot of those debt obligations go to folks like you, entitlement payments for SS and Medicare. Add to that pay to military and other federal employees, base operations, ongoing defense projects and other bills due for daily operations. You'll see how fast the money adds up, if you bother reading.

SS and Medicare are about a trillion dollars a year or 86 billion a month
VA is 124 billion a year or 10 billion a month
Debt service is 250 billion a year or 21 billion a month
Defense is 700 billion a year or about 60 billion a month

Total 177 billion and we collect about 2.6 trillion a year or 220 billion a month. No default necessary.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

SS and Medicare are about a trillion dollars a year or 86 billion a month
VA is 124 billion a year or 10 billion a month
Debt service is 250 billion a year or 21 billion a month
Defense is 700 billion a year or about 60 billion a month

Total 177 billion and we collect about 2.6 trillion a year or 220 billion a month. No default necessary.

Hmm, what programs are missing here? :mrgreen:
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

SS and Medicare are about a trillion dollars a year or 86 billion a month
VA is 124 billion a year or 10 billion a month
Debt service is 250 billion a year or 21 billion a month
Defense is 700 billion a year or about 60 billion a month

Total 177 billion and we collect about 2.6 trillion a year or 220 billion a month. No default necessary.

We spend $3.8 and collect $2.9. Obviously your calculations are in error. You didn't read the article. Did ya?

If Congress had issue with us spending a Trillion more dollars than we collect, they should have addressed that issue when the budget came up for a vote.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Hmm, what programs are missing here? :mrgreen:

Many state programs are duplicated by the Federal Govt. What I gave you are the mandatory expenses that the govt. has to pay to prevent default. Name for me one other item on that list below that the Govt HAS to pay or have as an expense item?.

Here are the total line items in the budget

Expenses

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce/Housing Cr
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Medicare
Income Security
Social Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Hmm, what programs are missing here? :mrgreen:

SS and Medicare are $1.5t. So...not only does he ignore half the budget, he can't even get the numbers he does include correct.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

We spend $3.8 and collect $2.9. Obviously your calculations are in error. You didn't read the article. Did ya?

If Congress had issue with us spending a Trillion more dollars than we collect, they should have addressed that issue when the budget came up for a vote.

Don't need to read the article, you need to pay attention to the actual budget and if we collect 2.9 trillion a year that means we get more monthly cash to spend on other items. You need to stop listening to the left and think for a change. the entire argument is about default. Paying what I listed prevents default.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

SS and Medicare are $1.5t. So...not only does he ignore half the budget, he can't even get the numbers he does include correct.

in 2012 Medicare was 472 billion and SS was 773 for a total of 1.2 trillion or 100 billion a month.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

in 2012 Medicare was 472 billion and SS was 773 for a total of 1.2 trillion or 100 billion a month.

2013: Medicare $550B; SS $882B for total $1.45T
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

2013: Medicare $550B; SS $882B for total $1.45T

That is 120 billion a month so what is your point? No default necessary
 

Since when is 30 hours a week full time employment. I always thought that was 40 hours a week. then the part of two part time employees working 20 hours each equals one full time employee. Who decides which employee gets the coverage and which one does not? I printed it off, I go over it again later. I just scanned it but those two things stood out.

I don't know, but I think letting the law be in effect for a full year will tell us whether it is good or bad. I have always been of the opinion the fate of this laws lies with those who already have insurance. Whether their insurances price goes up or down, whether they end up with better coverage or less and so on. The election of 2014 will probably be a referendum on Obamacare if it is close to being as bad as the republicans say it is going to be.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

That is 120 billion a month so what is your point? No default necessary

Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

A little over $300B per month.
 
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