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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Seriously, how much longer do you think the government will be shutdown for?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Old English said:
Seriously, how much longer do you think the government will be shutdown for?
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Until all sides come to the table. I think the debt limit will be raised with no conditions...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I disagree. The debt ceiling should be raised as it is a consequence of past policy. The fight needs to take place on the spending/revenue side of the equation...
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That would be fine AP if the fight was about spending and revenue. But it is all about the defunding rider. I don't have the figure in front of me, but I understand the Democrats agreed to lower the spending in CR from what the Democrats wanted, 1.2 trillion down to the Republican top line of 986 billion. Now that is quite a victory in itself. Of course that was on a riderless CR.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Until all sides come to the table. I think the debt limit will be raised with no conditions...
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Can you put a time frame on that? And do you think that the longer this goes on the harder republicans will take a hit in the polls? Do you think they even care about the polls anymore?

P.S. I am not a troll
 
In short how serious do you think the republicans are on fighting over this? How long, specifically, do you think they will keep this up? Because, well, Barack Obama, or senate democrats are definitely not budging...
 
Perotista said:
That would be fine AP if the fight was about spending and revenue. But it is all about the defunding rider. I don't have the figure in front of me, but I understand the Democrats agreed to lower the spending in CR from what the Democrats wanted, 1.2 trillion down to the Republican top line of 986 billion. Now that is quite a victory in itself. Of course that was on a riderless CR.
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The two are merging and have been intended to merge, therefore both sides need to discuss some tax reform, entitlement reform, and the elimination of baseline budgeting going forward...
 
Old English said:
In short how serious do you think the republicans are on fighting over this? How long, specifically, do you think they will keep this up? Because, well, Barack Obama, or senate democrats are definitely not budging...
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Who are you posting towards? The Reply With Quote Button at the bottom of each post is your friend...
 
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Perotista said:
Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.
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As for Dems, the longer they are around the liquid manure spray coming from the House, the more they will smell like it.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The two are merging and have been intended to merge, therefore both sides need to discuss some tax reform, entitlement reform, and the elimination of baseline budgeting going forward...
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Sounds good to me. One bill covering both the debt ceiling and the CR. Time will tell. The government shutdown means nothing to me, I have been through 17 already and the 18th is no big deal. Same with you I bet. But I am interested in the fall out. I doubt any of this will have a effect on next years election.
 
And here's another one: If the government defaults October 17th who will you blame?
 
Do you think the government shutdown will end before October 17th?
 
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NIMBY said:
As for Dems, the longer they are around the liquid manure spray coming from the House, the more they will smell like it.
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That is a unique way of putting it, but the polls are bearing that out.
 
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ocean515 said:
So, I would suggest the Senate avoid doing that. Why do you think the Senate leadership is willing to ignore the Constitutional mandate they swore to uphold?
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How about the House passes a bill that doesn't include repealing or delaying the ACA?
 
Perotista said:
That would be fine AP if the fight was about spending and revenue. But it is all about the defunding rider. I don't have the figure in front of me, but I understand the Democrats agreed to lower the spending in CR from what the Democrats wanted, 1.2 trillion down to the Republican top line of 986 billion. Now that is quite a victory in itself. Of course that was on a riderless CR.
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The defunding rider was dropped before the government "shut down" with a delay in its place as a result of the Presidents already in place delays, waivers, etc...
 
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Perotista said:
Sounds good to me. One bill covering both the debt ceiling and the CR. Time will tell. The government shutdown means nothing to me, I have been through 17 already and the 18th is no big deal. Same with you I bet. But I am interested in the fall out. I doubt any of this will have a effect on next years election.
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Which is why all sides are content with the intransigence...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The defunding rider was dropped before the government "shut down" with a delay in its place as a result of the Presidents already in place delays, waivers, etc...
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This is the first time I have heard of that. I mean that the defunding rider was dropped. If the defunding rider is no more, then what riders are the Dems talking about? The defunding rider is the only one I know of.
 
ernst barkmann said:
really ?..serious talking about politics?
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The last government shutdown lasted from Dec. 16 to Jan 6; so do you think that this shutdown will be longer or shorter, and do you think that the longer it goes on the more Barack Obama will be blamed?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Which is why all sides are content with the intransigence...
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that makes sense, I was never worried about the government shutdown and still ain't. I have posted about the 1996 shutdown and its no effect on the November election of that year. There were only ten months in-between the shutdown and the election then. Not the year plus as of today. Back then, a year in which Clinton beat the pants off of Dole, the Republicans lost two House Seats and gained two Senate Seats. That shutdown meant nothing and had no effect what so ever on the 96 election.
 
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The PA governor apologizing for comparing Homosexuals to Heterosexuals in a way only a pedophile-coverer can could have been his last nail.
Mid-term/Mid-terms will be spun feverishly in a few weeks.
And, will you be watching the Braves laster?
Perotista said:
That is a unique way of putting it, but the polls are bearing that out.
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Anthony60 said:
If that were true, then you would believe that if Obama adopted a program the same as the republicans (no to government healthcare, cut taxes, decrease government, etc...) they would still try to make him a failure, even though he was doing what they wanted. That's where your offensive, childish, vulger argument falls apart. Yours is one of the most pathetic posts I've ever seen on these boards. Nice job.
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First of all, the ACA is a Republican plan that Republicans now oppose. So thanks for making my point.

And, second, those of us who are not racists see what the Right is doing. They are setting Washington ablaze and then pointing at the Black guy while screaming, "He did it!"
 
Perotista said:
This is the first time I have heard of that. I mean that the defunding rider was dropped. If the defunding rider is no more, then what riders are the Dems talking about? The defunding rider is the only one I know of.
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They're balking at any delay of the individual mandate or more importantly, the removal of the 72% subsidy for Congress members and their staffs to enter the exchanges just as a regular citizen who are not covered by employer based health care will be required to do...
 
Old English said:
The last government shutdown lasted from Dec. 16 to Jan 6; so do you think that this shutdown will be longer or shorter, and do you think that the longer it goes on the more Barack Obama will be blamed?
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I blame both sides.......as the old saying goes....."it takes two to tango"

I would imagine as we get closer to oct 17 things will come to a head.
 
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