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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

With leadership comes responsibility, the fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September. Democrats took control of the Congress in January 2007 and the recession began in fiscal year 2008 beginning December 2007. Democrats had a year and a budget to stop the oncoming recession but were more interested in regaining the WH than doing what was right for the American people
You keep dancing from position to position. First the dance is "the POTUS is responsible for the results".......but when that fails the dance becomes "the legislature is responsible for the results".

Stop dancing.
 
Still waiting for any liberal/centrist here to give us the author of this quote and apply that quote to the actions today?The
fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign ofleadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its ownbills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debtlimit.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The one in 2001 was Clinton and the one in 2007 was Bush, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
This comes on the heels of "the Dems are responsible for the 07 recession"!!!

Still dancing!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

1. Tell me what economic policy Obama wanted that he didn't get? 2. What is disgusting is you cheering the death of Reagan and calling for the death o GHW Bush and GW Bush
1. Well, other than the jobs bill, a tax increase on the highest earners, and the huge number of people he's nominated to the appeals court, we have the current debt ceiling issue, for starters.

2. What on earth are you babbling about?
 
Still waiting for any liberal/centrist here to give us the author of this quote and apply that quote to the actions today?The


Yes, the House has failed to show leadership.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I mean, they act like the private sector is the answer to all of our problems: The Private sector is not going to help you with anything; they are going to try and hire you at the lowest possible wage they can, giving you the least possible amount of benefits, so that they can make more money; look, the natural interests of the private sector contradict the interests of the middle class! Wake up folks, if the private sector is run by a minority, and the majority is dependent on them, then helping the private sector triumph against the middle class is the wrong thing to do!, which is exactly what the tea party is doing with the affordable care act: they are holding jobs and progress hostage to get their way!
 
Still waiting for any liberal/centrist here to give us the author of this quote and apply that quote to the actions today?
Really? You are going to use a quote from Obama as a senator (which lead to no defunding or default)......to justify the extremist minority of baggers stopping the US budget process.....and threatening a default?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

1. Well, other than the jobs bill, a tax increase on the highest earners, and the huge number of people he's nominated to the appeals court, we have the current debt ceiling issue, for starters.

2. What on earth are you babbling about?

What jobs' bill? How about the 15 sitting in Harry Reid's desk already passed by the House?

Tax increase to the highest earners wasn't approved by his own party and how does that create jobs and positive economic activity

Nominating people to the Appeal's Court has nothing to do with economic activity

Debt ceiling issue? Who made the following statement?

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.
 
Really? You are going to use a quote from Obama as a senator (which lead to no defunding or default)......to justify the extremist minority of baggers stopping the US budget process.....and threatening a default?

So that statement was made by Obama? Who would have thought that? What was the Debt to GDP ratio then vs. Now? You really don't understand the debt ceiling do you? How much of a spending bill and cut would it take to keep the ceiling the same as it is now and not default? What would we be defaulting on anyway and why?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

With leadership comes responsibility, the fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September.
One more note on this comment, I previously showed that IF you want to argue from a fiscal/budget year standpoint, Bush shows a NEGATIVE non-farm job growth during his terms.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I mean, they act like the private sector is the answer to all of our problems: The Private sector is not going to help you with anything; they are going to try and hire you at the lowest possible wage they can, giving you the least possible amount of benefits, so that they can make more money; look, the natural interests of the private sector contradict the interests of the middle class! Wake up folks, if the private sector is run by a minority, and the majority is dependent on them, then helping the private sector triumph against the middle class is the wrong thing to do!, which is exactly what the tea party is doing with the affordable care act: they are holding jobs and progress hostage to get their way!

Yep, you nailed it and those employers are going to hold a gun to your head and make you take that job. They aren't even going to tell you what you are going to make before taking that job. Those damn evil private sector employers who should invest their own money, take all that risk and then pay you whatever salary you think you deserve.
 
So that statement was made by Obama?
Yes it was. quizzmaster.

You did not answer me.....how does his inconsequential statement justify the teabaggers actions of stopping the budget process and threaten a default?

or keep dancing....the choice is yours.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

One more note on this comment, I previously showed that IF you want to argue from a fiscal/budget year standpoint, Bush shows a NEGATIVE non-farm job growth during his terms.

You have made a lot of wild accusations as well including that Bush gave Obama a trillion dollar deficit with his budget which of course is a lie. The Bush budget for fiscal year 2009 was signed by Obama in 2009 making the entire 2009 deficit his. The original Bush budget had less than 500 billion in deficits projected and the CR's that got us through the first 6 months o fiscal year 2009 were based upon 2008 budget numbers. In addition TARP was charged as an expense and the credit somehow never got back to reducing the deficit, wonder why?

Love it when people like you always compare Bush, who most of your political persuasion detest, to Obama and seem to think that justifies Obama's numbers. What it does show however is how poorly informed and what poor logic and common sense Obamabots have.
 
Yes, the House has failed to show leadership.

2 new polls back that up:

1) Here is the new WaPo poll.

2) Here is the new Pew poll.

The GOP is clearly losing this fight, which is going to spell disaster if Democrats take back the House next year. If that happens, you can blame it all on the GOP listening to extremists. The mainstream rank and file needs to take their party back. If they don't, then it's curtains for the GOP for at least several election cycles.
 
Yes it was. quizzmaster.

You did not answer me.....how does his inconsequential statement justify the teabaggers actions of stopping the budget process and threaten a default?

or keep dancing....the choice is yours.

You do understand that spending bills begin in the House, the House passed a CR and the Senate rejected it, the Senate therefore shutdown the govt. You don't seem to understand among other things how the budget process even works.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Uh, because tying a debt ceiling bill to repealing a law that is already on the books is unprecedented.

Perhaps you should re-read my post. Lots of things have been unprecedented when it comes to the unilateral passing of Obamacare, but it hasn't been shown to be un-Constitutional.

The question was, what has the House done that is unconstitutional? In consideration of your post, it appears you believe nothing has been done that is unconstitutional, since you chose not to comment on that primary point.
 
2 new polls back that up:

1) Here is the new WaPo poll.

2) Here is the new Pew poll.

The GOP is clearly losing this fight, which is going to spell disaster if Democrats take back the House next year. If that happens, you can blame it all on the GOP listening to extremists. The mainstream rank and file needs to take their party back. If they don't, then it's curtains for the GOP for at least several election cycles.

Wonderful, so does that mean you will be voting against my House Representative? Love it, poll numbers on the House!! Why do poll numbers on local Representative matter?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yep, you nailed it and those employers are going to hold a gun to your head and make you take that job. They aren't even going to tell you what you are going to make before taking that job. Those damn evil private sector employers who should invest their own money, take all that risk and then pay you whatever salary you think you deserve.

Yeah, man, it's crazy. I got hired and the manager didn't even give me a salary; however, I did need to take the job and show up the next day at 6AM for work because, not only are jobs hard to come by nowadays, but also, at the end of the day, I don't have a choice: I have bills to pay. So, while you are trying to be sarcastic, your sarcasm rings true! By the way this is a true story: this is how it works in the REAL WORLD, not the philosophical, ideological world, but the real world! Please take off your bourgeois blinders!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

You have made a lot of wild accusations as well including that Bush gave Obama a trillion dollar deficit with his budget which of course is a lie.
A lie and a total falsehood.

The Bush budget for fiscal year 2009 was signed by Obama in 2009 making the entire 2009 deficit his.
Again, you show a complete lack of budget understanding.


The original Bush budget had less than 500 billion in deficits projected
Um, since when did "projections"...become "results"?

Still dancing!!

and the CR's that got us through the first 6 months o fiscal year 2009 were based upon 2008 budget numbers.
Oh....you mean previous Bush budget numbers?

Wow.

In addition TARP was charged as an expense and the credit somehow never got back to reducing the deficit, wonder why?
Dude, you lost that discussion long ago.....when you disowned TARP. If you don't want the debt, don't claim the receipts.

Love it when people like you always compare Bush, who most of your political persuasion detest, to Obama and seem to think that justifies Obama's numbers. What it does show however is how poorly informed and what poor logic and common sense Obamabots have.
I was never "justifying" any numbers, or massaging them, or spinning them....that is your job which you do poorly. i'm just taking your arguments, posting the truth, and contrasting them.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yeah, man, it's crazy. I got hired and the manager didn't even give me a salary; however, I did need to take the job and show up the next day at 6AM for work because, not only are jobs hard to come by nowadays, but also, at the end of the day, I don't have a choice: I have bills to pay. So, while you are trying to be sarcastic, your sarcasm rings true! By the way this is a true story: this is how it works in the REAL WORLD, not the philosophical, ideological world, but the real world! Please take off your bourgeois blinders!

You are so right, I had 1200 employees and they all came to work for me without knowing what they were going to be paid and I held a gun to their head forcing them to take the job. Too bad I could only force 50% of them to take the health insurance I offered. Guess they must have seen that the gun wasn't really loaded
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yep, you nailed it and those employers are going to hold a gun to your head and make you take that job. They aren't even going to tell you what you are going to make before taking that job. Those damn evil private sector employers who should invest their own money, take all that risk and then pay you whatever salary you think you deserve.

Says the retired guy who is collecting entitlements. Sheesh.
 
You do understand that spending bills begin in the House, the House passed a CR and the Senate rejected it, the Senate therefore shutdown the govt. You don't seem to understand among other things how the budget process even works.
You did not answer me.......and undercut your own argument. If he made a statement as a senator, that makes them even more inconsequential.

Again....how does his statement justify the actions of the baggers in the house?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

A lie and a total falsehood.

Again, you show a complete lack of budget understanding.


Um, since when did "projections"...become "results"?

Still dancing!!

Oh....you mean previous Bush budget numbers?

Wow.

Dude, you lost that discussion long ago.....when you disowned TARP. If you don't want the debt, don't claim the receipts.

I was never "justifying" any numbers, or massaging them, or spinning them....that is your job which you do poorly. i'm just taking your arguments, posting the truth, and contrasting them.

Carry on, Gimme, as usual a waste of time. none of what you posted proves anything I stated was wrong so what you do is post words that say nothing and prove nothing other than liberalism has someone like you supporting their failed economic policies.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Perhaps you should re-read my post. Lots of things have been unprecedented when it comes to the unilateral passing of Obamacare, but it hasn't been shown to be un-Constitutional.

The question was, what has the House done that is unconstitutional? In consideration of your post, it appears you believe nothing has been done that is unconstitutional, since you chose not to comment on that primary point.
It could be argued--and probably will be--that Congress refusing to honor the debts legally incurred by the USA is a violation of the 14th.
 
You did not answer me.......and undercut your own argument. If he made a statement as a senator, that makes them even more inconsequential.

Again....how does his statement justify the actions of the baggers in the house?

What was the difference in 2006 and today? Since leadership was an issue then why isn't it an issue today and leadership begins with Obama or should I say lack of leadership? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt and the debt limit doesn't need to increase at all, simply cut spending.
 
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