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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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howdy pol, you know there are times I just get fed up with the workings of D.C. and take a few days off. Today's politicians in Washington are far more worried about the fate and their political party than America's future.

:agree: How they can ignore the $17 trillion debt, and what that could mean for all of us, escapes me though! Talk about the very large elephant in the room being ignored! :shock: Save me a room at your B&B in the land of smiles! I'll even prepay! :mrgreen:
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

:agree: How they can ignore the $17 trillion debt, and what that could mean for all of us, escapes me though! Talk about the very large elephant in the room being ignored! :shock: Save me a room at your B&B in the land of smiles! I'll even prepay! :mrgreen:

No politician in Washington is worried about anything except the next election.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I see no reason for the Democrats to negotiate. The shutdown occured because of the GOP House tied defunding of the ACA to the CR. This was a stupid tactic that at the moment Boehner and company can't find a way out of it. The Republicans would have been better served IMO, to pass the CR without the rider of defunding the ACA. then the chances in November of 2014 after a full year of the ACA with all it worts probably would have delivered the senate to their control.

IMO the republicans are engaging in this battle at the wrong time with the wrong strategy. With Boehner saying he wouldn't let the government default, why should the Democrats negotiate? All they have to do is wait until that time as they are banking on Boehner not being able to sleep at night if he did let the government default.

That seems to be the liberal argument but the reality is, the GOP submitted a funding bill and the Democrats rejected it. Spending bills begin in the House, the fact that the Senate rejected the bill means that the Democrats shutdown the govt. The GOP Followed up with funding for essential services but again the Senate said no negotiations. Harry Reid has no problem with Obama giving exemptions to supporters and others including Congressional representatives, preventing House passed bills from getting to the Senate floor for a vote but not exemptions to the American people in general or other funding bills for essential services?

You are going to see a significant reduction in the deficit due to the sequester and Obama is going to take credit for it. The same holds here, further reductions in the deficit due to the shutdown that Obama is going to take credit for. Sorry but politics as usual for the Democrats and I quite frankly believe the govt. should stay shutdown
 
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States and local governments are not the US's "neighbors". They are actually a part of the US. It's like you doing your budget and counting the Wife's income. Your analogy sucks.

Look, the cart compares apples to apples. It uses the same revenue streams from before the recession until now, and it shows how the sum total of those streams has grown since the recession began.

That doesn't matter, it doesn't suck just because you don't understand it or you refuse to, sorry. You can't just throw in other income to the federal government's income.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

That seems to be the liberal argument but the reality is, the GOP submitted a funding bill and the Democrats rejected it. Spending bills begin in the House, the fact that the Senate rejected the bill means that the Democrats shutdown the govt. The GOP Followed up with funding for essential services but again the Senate said no negotiations. Harry Reid has no problem with Obama giving exemptions to supporters and others including Congressional representatives, preventing House passed bills from getting to the Senate floor for a vote but not exemptions to the American people in general or other funding bills for essential services?

You are going to see a significant reduction in the deficit due to the sequester and Obama is going to take credit for it. The same holds here, further reductions in the deficit due to the shutdown that Obama is going to take credit for. Sorry but politics as usual for the Democrats and I quite frankly believe the govt. should stay shutdown

I think by tying the defunding rider to the CR regardless of how many mini or partial spending bills the house has passed, the house republicans caused this shutdown. But perspectives of the voters maybe another thing. By that I mean the president and senator reid coming on TV saying they refuse to negotiate is starting to wear thin. Not with the democratic base, they love that. But with independents who do not identify with either party. I think that the rise from 17% that blamed both parties to 25% who blame both parties are indies who now think the no negotiation ploy is wrong and speaks of intransigence. They realize for Washington to work, negotiations, compromise, give and take is a must for both parties.

I think independents are now forgetting who caused or who was responsible for the shutdown and are now starting to concentrate on what is perceived as intransigence. Time will tell as this morning poll is only a snap shot of the day which I compared to the snapshot of 3 October. We shall see.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I think by tying the defunding rider to the CR regardless of how many mini or partial spending bills the house has passed, the house republicans caused this shutdown. But perspectives of the voters maybe another thing. By that I mean the president and senator reid coming on TV saying they refuse to negotiate is starting to wear thin. Not with the democratic base, they love that. But with independents who do not identify with either party. I think that the rise from 17% that blamed both parties to 25% who blame both parties are indies who now think the no negotiation ploy is wrong and speaks of intransigence. They realize for Washington to work, negotiations, compromise, give and take is a must for both parties.

I think independents are now forgetting who caused or who was responsible for the shutdown and are now starting to concentrate on what is perceived as intransigence. Time will tell as this morning poll is only a snap shot of the day which I compared to the snapshot of 3 October. We shall see.

No, sorry, passing a bill doesn't create the shutdown, the Senate by rejecting it did. I think most people have no idea what is going on in D.C. and I see a lot of those same people here. Seems the low Obama JAR is being ignored
 
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LOL, do you even know what a double dip recession is? there is no such thing as a double dip 6 years later. Unbelievable!!
Fine. It was a recession which came on the heels of the previous one.
 
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That doesn't matter, it doesn't suck just because you don't understand it or you refuse to, sorry. You can't just throw in other income to the federal government's income.
I'm not. I'm looking at one graph and it shows revenue over 10-plus years, falling and then rising again.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The GOP has offered funding bills for the essential parts of the govt. and the Democrats refuse to negotiate. Obama gave exemptions for backers and supporters but won't negotiate with
the Republicans. Obamacare is a nightmare and maybe this will help you understand why the GOP is not willing to give in to Democrats?

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
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Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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So, your bias is such an extreme sort that you hold the GOP blameless. Thanks for playing.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Fine. It was a recession which came on the heels of the previous one.

Pretty big heels 6 years later, don't you think?
 
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So, your bias is such an extreme sort that you hold the GOP blameless. Thanks for playing.

Blameless for what? Name for me one item mentioned I that article that you can blame on the GOP? You continue to make wild accusations, get proven wrong, and then just move on to some other issue. Why do you continue to support someone who has generated the results of Obama?
 
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Blameless for what? Name for me one item mentioned I that article that you can blame on the GOP? You continue to make wild accusations, get proven wrong, and then just move on to some other issue. Why do you continue to support someone who has generated the results of Obama?

The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.
 
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Pretty big heels 6 years later, don't you think?

Uh, the recovery from the recession of 2001 was not complete until almost 2005
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.


As Chuck Schumer said, its like someone coming to your house, taking your wife and kids hostage, and then demanding that they negotiate the price of the house.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

No, sorry, passing a bill doesn't create the shutdown, the Senate by rejecting it did. I think most people have no idea what is going on in D.C. and I see a lot of those same people here. Seems the low Obama JAR is being ignored

Nothing to be sorry about. I agree, very few people actually pay attention to what is going on in Washington. From a Republican perspective, passing these mini spending bills and sending them to the senate is their way of saying they are passing the shutdown blame onto those in the senate. This portion which means a lot if not everything to the GOP means nothing to the Democrats and as you say, those in-between the two parties aren't paying attention to this. The Democrats seem to want on all encompassing CR with funding for the ACA are are willing to take their chances that most Americans will know nothing about these mini funding bills.

But what the Democrats can't hid is their unwillingness to negotiate which I think is hurting them among indies. Reality means little to most voters of whatever political persuasion. It is the personal perspective they attain or obtain on what is happening at the time. That perspective may be totally wrong or right, but that is what they go by and rely on. I think the face of President Obama and Senator Reid repeating and repeating I will not negotiate is wearing thin regardless of what else is transpiring. Hence the rise from 17% to 25% the number of Americans who blame both parties. I expect that number to continue to rise.

Who is right about this or who is wrong, really doesn't apply. I have my opinion and perspective, that word again and you have yours. We in fact could both be right, but we also think differently and in the end we both could be wrong. When the end comes to this shutdown, it will be decided on the perspective that the American people have obtained, not necessarily based on facts or what actually happened.
 
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Uh, the recovery from the recession of 2001 was not complete until almost 2005

9/11 Occurred at the end of fiscal year 2001 and the recession ended in November 2001, not sure what your definition of a recovery is but it was much quicker than you want to acknowledge.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.

It is "your" President holding the country hostage. He could have the Senate Pass funding bills for essential services and debt service but no, he can give exemptions to whoever he wants but not whoever the Republicans want? By the way if Obamacare is so good why are exemptions needed at all?
 
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As Chuck Schumer said, its like someone coming to your house, taking your wife and kids hostage, and then demanding that they negotiate the price of the house.

Liberal logic which of course is failed logic. The Senate and Obama shutdown the govt. because like all street thugs they didn't get their way.
 
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It is "your" President holding the country hostage. He could have the Senate Pass funding bills for essential services and debt service but no, he can give exemptions to whoever he wants but not whoever the Republicans want? By the way if Obamacare is so good why are exemptions needed at all?
Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.
 
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9/11 Occurred at the end of fiscal year 2001 and the recession ended in November 2001, not sure what your definition of a recovery is but it was much quicker than you want to acknowledge.

There you go not reading the graph again.
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There you go not reading the graph again.
EmployRecMar2013.jpg

You don't get it, do you? Seems that you lack any understanding of leadership and economic policies fully ignoring the impact on numbers by economic policies and lack of leadership. I have no idea what relevance this chart has?
 
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Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

Hmmm. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Constitution defines the roles of the House of Representatives, and the Senate. I can't see where the House has done anything that is not specifically authorized by the US Constitution. It's not for the Senate to refuse to deal with Bills coming out of the House.

The Founding Fathers understood why such division was important, why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
 
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9/11 Occurred at the end of fiscal year 2001 and the recession ended in November 2001, not sure what your definition of a recovery is but it was much quicker than you want to acknowledge.

His definition of a recession is quirky. He's using the traditional definition of two quarters of consecutive negative growth for the start of a recession, but he changes the "end" qualification to a return to peak employment. Not sure why he's doing that, but its hard to argue with someone willing to change definitions.
 
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You don't get it, do you? Seems that you lack any understanding of leadership and economic policies fully ignoring the impact on numbers by economic policies and lack of leadership. I have no idea what relevance this chart has?
The chart shows that the recession Bush "led" us out of followed the same trajectory as the one Obama is leading us out of. But, f course, you have amnesia when it comes to Bush's presidency, and you probably blame both recessions on Democrats. So, you don't even see what you're looking at.


...which is obvious because you keep insisting that the Recession of 81 is worse than the one of 2007.
 
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The chart shows that the recession Bush "led" us out of followed the same trajectory as the one Obama is leading us out of. But, f course, you have amnesia when it comes to Bush's presidency and blame Both recessions on Democrats. So, you don't even see what you're looking at.

Bush took employment from 137 million to 146. million in 7 years. Obama has taken employment from 142 million to 144 million in 5 years. You call that similar performance?

As for the recession, please name for me the economic policies GW Bush had in place that took us into recession one month after taking office? Your logic and reasoning is scary but not as embarrassing as your posts.
 
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