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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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Conservative said:
Yep, kind of like your unbiased remarks the only difference is you ignore it when I give you actual data so decided to resort to your technique of posting opinions as fact.
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You can't even read a graph--or you refuse to read it in an unbiased fashion--so, I don't see you as very credible.
 
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calamity said:
You can't even read a graph--or you refuse to read it in an unbiased fashion--so, I don't see you as very credible.
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LOL, what do you want me to read, a chart that combines all revenue yet ignores that not all revenue funds the Federal Govt. and it is the high expenses and revenue shortfall that is generating the trillion dollar Obama deficits, deficits that you ignore just like you ignore the poor economic policies and leadership skills of Obama
 
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calamity said:
It just goes to show that Conservatives get bad information from their "News" sources all the time.
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And what bad information comes from NBER? Have you ever been to the site? Do you have any idea how dumb and foolish you look? Apparently BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Data are false but only when liberals want it to be false. They had no problem touting the data when Clinton was in the WH so what changed? NBER has been the keeper of recession dates and data for decades but now it is inaccurate because it doesn't show what liberals like you want it to show. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, what do you want me to read, a chart that combines all revenue yet ignores that not all revenue funds the Federal Govt. and it is the high expenses and revenue shortfall that is generating the trillion dollar Obama deficits, deficits that you ignore just like you ignore the poor economic policies and leadership skills of Obama
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It clearly shows that the two recessions we've had since 2000, one deeper than the other, are following the exact same trajectory. Leadership is not the issue, unless you want to blame everyone involved in the early 200's who didn;t adress the root of the problem, from the Fed to the President, Congress, the tax cuts and the two wars.

However, you are too biased to see it.

Conservative said:
And what bad information comes from NBER? Have you ever been to the site? Do you have any idea how dumb and foolish you look? Apparently BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Data are false but only when liberals want it to be false. They had no problem touting the data when Clinton was in the WH so what changed? NBER has been the keeper of recession dates and data for decades but now it is inaccurate because it doesn't show what liberals like you want it to show. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
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You're consistently spouting out bad information. Saying the recession ended in 2009 is probably the best one yet though.
 
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calamity said:
It clearly shows that the two recessions we've had since 2000, one deeper then the other, are following the exact same trajectory. Leadership is not the issue. However, you are too biased to see it.



You're consistently spouting out bad information. Saying the recession ended in 2009 is probably the best one yet though.
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Same trajectory but different results and different degrees of recession but then that doesn't matter to you. How anyone can support Obama and what is going on right now in beyond comprehension.

NBER said the recession ended but since you don't understand what a recession is no wonder you don't agree.
 
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Conservative said:
Same trajectory but different results and different degrees of recession but then that doesn't matter to you. How anyone can support Obama and what is going on right now in beyond comprehension.

NBER said the recession ended but since you don't understand what a recession is no wonder you don't agree.
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So, in your world, the depth of this recession is Obama's fault?

That the downturn ended in 2009 does not make the recession over in 2009
 
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calamity said:
So, in your world, the depth of this recession is Obama's fault?
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The depth? No, the very poor recovery, YES!!
 
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Conservative said:
The depth? No, the very poor recovery, YES!!
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The recovery is at the same pace as the one before it.


BTW: I see what you mean now by recession ending in 2009. I stand corrected.
 
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Interesting new poll that came out this morning. It shows 33% blame the Democrats, 36% blame the Republicans and 25% blame both parties. If you compare this to the CBS poll taken on the 2nd which was 35%-44%-17% it shows those who blamed only the Democrats dropped 2 points, those who blamed only the republicans dropped 8 points while those who blamed both parties rose 8 points.

This is more information that points to this government shutdown being a pox on both houses or political parties in this case. For those who think only the Republican Party is being hurt by this shutdown, you're wrong. Both parties are being hurt, it is just the republicans are being hurt a bit more than the democrats.
 
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Perotista said:
Interesting new poll that came out this morning. It shows 33% blame the Democrats, 36% blame the Republicans and 25% blame both parties. If you compare this to the CBS poll taken on the 2nd which was 35%-44%-17% it shows those who blamed only the Democrats dropped 2 points, those who blamed only the republicans dropped 8 points while those who blamed both parties rose 8 points.

This is more information that points to this government shutdown being a pox on both houses or political parties in this case. For those who think only the Republican Party is being hurt by this shutdown, you're wrong. Both parties are being hurt, it is just the republicans are being hurt a bit more than the democrats.
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It's just more of the same nonsense for most people. In fact, I bet that if the two parties managed to work together from 2009 moving forward, we would be well on the road to a booming economy.
 
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calamity said:
The recovery is at the same pace as the one before it.


BTW: I see what you mean now by recession ending in 2009. I stand corrected.
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The recovery at the same pace of a mild recession is no recovery at all and there in lies your problem. Obama was in the Congress that helped create the recession but this recession was worse than the 2001 recession and the recovery has been the slowest on record.

The Worst Economic Recovery Since The Great Depression - Forbes

Thanks for admitting your error but remember as I told you I can beat you up all day with numbers, not one of which you have found to be in error. That should send you a powerful message that the actual data and facts do not support your position on the issues.
 
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calamity said:
It's just more of the same nonsense for most people. In fact, I bet that if the two parties managed to work together from 2009 moving forward, we would be well on the road to a booming economy.
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The "I won, You Lost" President has shown zero leadership skills and that is why the two parties cannot work together. The Republicans were shut out of healthcare reform negotiations, their ideas for a stimulus were ignored, and there is no negotiation on exemptions for healthcare so apparently negotiations to a Democrat mean giving in to whatever they want.
 
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Conservative said:
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The recovery at the same pace of a mild recession is no recovery at all and there in lies your problem. Obama was in the Congress that helped create the recession but this recession was worse than the 2001 recession and the recovery has been the slowest on record.

The Worst Economic Recovery Since The Great Depression - Forbes

Thanks for admitting your error but remember as I told you I can beat you up all day with numbers, not one of which you have found to be in error. That should send you a powerful message that the actual data and facts do not support your position on the issues.
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The Great Recession was also the worst recession since the Great Depression according to the NBER.
 
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calamity said:
It's just more of the same nonsense for most people. In fact, I bet that if the two parties managed to work together from 2009 moving forward, we would be well on the road to a booming economy.
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I think you are right. I know me saying this is probably getting old. But our elected officials in Washington are more interested in acting and being Republicans and Democrats than Americans. I agree with you on this.
 
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Perotista said:
I think you are right. I know me saying this is probably getting old. But our elected officials in Washington are more interested in acting and being Republicans and Democrats than Americans. I agree with you on this.
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Keep on saying it, Pero! It's true!

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
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The recovery at the same pace of a mild recession is no recovery at all and there in lies your problem. Obama was in the Congress that helped create the recession but this recession was worse than the 2001 recession and the recovery has been the slowest on record.

The Worst Economic Recovery Since The Great Depression - Forbes

Thanks for admitting your error but remember as I told you I can beat you up all day with numbers, not one of which you have found to be in error. That should send you a powerful message that the actual data and facts do not support your position on the issues.
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I disagree only in that there is plenty of blame to go around for both: the deep recession and the extremely slow recovery. Arguments could be made that the GOP failed to properly fund a large enough stimulus to trigger a strong recovery. Another could be made that the large debt hurt our recovery. I doubt either had anything to do with it. I blame over capacity in a global economy which drives down employment numbers and payscales.
 
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winston53660 said:
The Great Recession was also the worst recession since the Great Depression according to the NBER.
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Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.
 
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Conservative said:
The "I won, You Lost" President has shown zero leadership skills and that is why the two parties cannot work together. The Republicans were shut out of healthcare reform negotiations, their ideas for a stimulus were ignored, and there is no negotiation on exemptions for healthcare so apparently negotiations to a Democrat mean giving in to whatever they want.
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Both parties have been acting like Children. To say the GOP has been an innocent victim here is naive at best.
 
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Conservative said:
Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.
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Uh, what do you think the 2007 recession did?

It's actually a double dip off of the 2001 recession. That's why it went so deep/.
 
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calamity said:
I disagree only in that there is plenty of blame to go around for both: the deep recession and the extremely slow recovery. Arguments could be made that the GOP failed to properly fund a large enough stimulus to trigger a strong recovery. Another could be made that the large debt hurt our recovery. I doubt either had anything to do with it. I blame over capacity in a global economy which drives down employment numbers and payscales.
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The GOP had nothing to do with the stimulus as the Congress was under total control of the Democrats. Obama got exactly what he wanted, any other speculation is just that opinion.
 
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polgara said:
Keep on saying it, Pero! It's true!

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:
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howdy pol, you know there are times I just get fed up with the workings of D.C. and take a few days off. Today's politicians in Washington are far more worried about the fate and their political party than America's future.
 
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Conservative said:
Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.
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you have the memory of a gnat
 
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calamity said:
Both parties have been acting like Children. To say the GOP has been an innocent victim here is naive at best.
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The GOP has offered funding bills for the essential parts of the govt. and the Democrats refuse to negotiate. Obama gave exemptions for backers and supporters but won't negotiate with
the Republicans. Obamacare is a nightmare and maybe this will help you understand why the GOP is not willing to give in to Democrats?

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
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Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums skyrocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.
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calamity said:
Uh, what do you think the 2007 recession did?

It's actually a double dip off of the 2001 recession. That's why it went so deep/.
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LOL, do you even know what a double dip recession is? there is no such thing as a double dip 6 years later. Unbelievable!!
 
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Conservative said:
The GOP has offered funding bills for the essential parts of the govt. and the Democrats refuse to negotiate. Obama gave exemptions for backers and supporters but won't negotiate with
the Republicans. Obamacare is a nightmare and maybe this will help you understand why the GOP is not willing to give in to Democrats?

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
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Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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I see no reason for the Democrats to negotiate. The shutdown occured because of the GOP House tied defunding of the ACA to the CR. This was a stupid tactic that at the moment Boehner and company can't find a way out of it. The Republicans would have been better served IMO, to pass the CR without the rider of defunding the ACA. then the chances in November of 2014 after a full year of the ACA with all it worts probably would have delivered the senate to their control.

IMO the republicans are engaging in this battle at the wrong time with the wrong strategy. With Boehner saying he wouldn't let the government default, why should the Democrats negotiate? All they have to do is wait until that time as they are banking on Boehner not being able to sleep at night if he did let the government default.
 
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