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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Tripling the debt he inherited of 10.6 trillion dollars would put the debt at over 30 trillion which is double our current GDP. He would have to do a lot better than 17 million jobs. You simply haven't any idea what you are talking about. It isn't the President's job to create jobs, but it is his job to create the economic environment for the private sector to create those jobs and things like demonizing the wealth creators and Obamacare don't do that.

According to Repblicans government doesn't create job and deficits don't matter! Just oing by conservative rules lol!
 
Right. Bush's recession was Clinton's fault, and Clinton's surplus was Reagan's doing. Got it. :roll:

What on earth is wrong with people like you? You get something in your head that is wrong and you keep digging the hole deeper. Stop listening to the leftwing media and actually take a civics class and economics class. Do some actual research as to the role of the govt. and by all means go to verifiable govt. information based websites like bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. I assure you that ignorance can be cured
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

According to Repblicans government doesn't create job and deficits don't matter! Just oing by conservative rules lol!

Do you have a quote, in context, of who said "deficits don't matter?"
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I will bet money that a large number of the ****heads that blame republicans dont have a clue what the issues are. They are the same mindless twats that support Obamacare without knowing what it is they are supporting (and yes...that goes for the mindless jagoffs that blame Obama just because he is Obama).[/QUOTE said:
I blame Republicans, I don't think I'm mindless or a ****head.
I joined this site with the sole intention of trying to understand how reasonably intelligent people are so divided on this issue of the shutdown.

I blame them because a) repealing, defunding, or delaying the ACA do not seem like legitimate reasons to not pass a 6 week CR to keep the govt open. I believe they are desperate to stop ACA before it gets started, and they will do anything to achieve this, even if it means shutting down the govt and harming the economy.

b) because they have the votes to pass the CR as it stands right now, but will not put it up for a vote. There are a lot of Republicans that disagree with the "hostage" strategy,

and c) Republicans have not been shy about the fact that they wanted to shut the govt down. It was a deliberate tactic that they used, and Ted Cruz even talked about how there was not too much political fallout from the '95 shutdown, implying that it's not as risky as some might think. They wanted to it, and they're doing it, why pretend otherwise?

If I'm missing something, I can take it, let me know. I am not an "Obamanot," and I think it's funny that some people think those who support Obama do so blindly.
I watched GW get us into some deep ****, and I think Obama has done well with an obstructionist, pass-nothing house. It's all relative.
 
Oh and The Koch brother were given their wealth.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see posters like you. This is either an act or an incredibly bad indictment of our education system
 
OMG...

You are so wrong.

I think my synopsis is a lot closer to the truth than blaming the Bush collapse on Clinton while giving Reagan credit for Clinton's great economy.
 
Lady, you really have a comprehension as well as a basic understanding o economics problem. I hope you aren't handling your own personal finances. You obviously don't understand the difference between actual dollars and percentage change. Have you noticed you aren't getting a lot of support here? Ask anyone you know that if 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years is worse than 6.4 trillion in 5 and after the laughing stops let me know the answer?
Lady?

You really can't read. Can you?

And, adding $1.7 Trillion to a debt that was under a trillion is far worse than adding 6 to one that is already at 10 or more.
 
I think my synopsis is a lot closer to the truth than blaming the Bush collapse on Clinton while giving Reagan credit for Clinton's great economy.
Well, I didn't give Reagan credit for Clinton's economy now, did I...

Nor did I blame the collapse of Clinton. He was simply president at the right time. If Bush (41) was reelected, the economy wouldn't be much different then, than what Clinton had.

Why are you making things up?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I blame Republicans, I don't think I'm mindless or a ****head.
I joined this site with the sole intention of trying to understand how reasonably intelligent people are so divided on this issue of the shutdown.

I blame them because a) repealing, defunding, or delaying the ACA do not seem like legitimate reasons to not pass a 6 week CR to keep the govt open. I believe they are desperate to stop ACA before it gets started, and they will do anything to achieve this, even if it means shutting down the govt and harming the economy.

b) because they have the votes to pass the CR as it stands right now, but will not put it up for a vote. There are a lot of Republicans that disagree with the "hostage" strategy,

and c) Republicans have not been shy about the fact that they wanted to shut the govt down. It was a deliberate tactic that they used, and Ted Cruz even talked about how there was not too much political fallout from the '95 shutdown, implying that it's not as risky as some might think. They wanted to it, and they're doing it, why pretend otherwise?

If I'm missing something, I can take it, let me know. I am not an "Obamanot," and I think it's funny that some people think those who support Obama do so blindly.
I watched GW get us into some deep ****, and I think Obama has done well with an obstructionist, pass-nothing house. It's all relative.

And you started out so well only to resort to falling into the same old liberal lefting rant we see here every day. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a piece of legislation created behind closed doors and passed completely by one party is under attack from the other. Obama had a chance to negotiate with the Republicans but like a typical "street thug" he has no concept of negotiations and has a King complex. Republicans made no secret of wanting to repeal it and defund it. They ran on it in 2010 and 2012 and retained control of the "Peoples' House" something liberals don't understand. Now the Republicans are doing what they were elected to do and the public, apparently you included, are having a problem understanding that.

As for GW Bush getting us into this mess, again you seem to lack a basic understanding of how our govt. works. Democrats controlled the Congress and were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job. They are every bit as much to blame as Bush for Bush couldn't do a thing without Democrat support. Democrats supported nothing Bush proposed or did thus nothing got done so you blame Bush?
 
Well, I didn't give Reagan credit for Clinton's economy now, did I...

Nor did I blame the collapse of Clinton. He was simply president at the right time. If Bush (41) was reelected, the economy wouldn't be much different then, than what Clinton had.

Why are you making things up?
Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.
 
Lady?

You really can't read. Can you?

And, adding $1.7 Trillion to a debt that was under a trillion is far worse than adding 6 to one that is already at 10 or more.

No it isn't especially when that debt doesn't consume the entire country yearly GDP like it does now. You want to talk percentages all the time except when it comes to debt to GDP. What percentage is the national debt today to GDP? What percentage of debt to GDP did Reagan have after the end of his term?

Stop believing what you hear and actually do some research.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Tell me your personal experience with the Reagan recession of 81-82? Numbers certainly aren't your friend here and never will be. How do you know this recession was worse? Do you own a home? What interest rates are you being charged now vs. then? How about your credit interest then vs. now? Calamity. you really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, this is embarrassing.

Unlike you, I can read a graph.
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Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.

Mini recession? Are you related to randel? Same leaning, same typical leftwing bs, and same ignorance. Tell us exactly what legislation Obama got approved that brought us out of the recession in June 2009? If he has done so well why are the economic numbers today so bad? If he has an incredible healthcare proposal why has he had to give so many exemptions but only to friends and backers? Not sure what world you live in but your opinions on what went on and what is going on is out of touch with reality.

Obviously you weren't old enough in 81-82 to understand that wasn't a mini recession and to claim differently just shows your own ignorance
 
Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.

Mini recession? Are you related to randel? Same leaning, same typical leftwing bs, and same ignorance. Tell us exactly what legislation Obama got approved that brought us out of the recession in June 2009? If he has done so well why are the economic numbers today so bad? If he has an incredible healthcare proposal why has he had to give so many exemptions but only to friends and backers? Not sure what world you live in but your opinions on what went on and what is going on is out of touch with reality.

Obviously you weren't old enough in 81-82 to understand that wasn't a mini recession and to claim differently just shows your own ignorance
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Unlike you, I can read a graph.
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No, sorry you have no idea what that graph shows and the relevance it has to the economic conditions TODAY, 2013
 
No it isn't especially when that debt doesn't consume the entire country yearly GDP like it does now. You want to talk percentages all the time except when it comes to debt to GDP. What percentage is the national debt today to GDP? What percentage of debt to GDP did Reagan have after the end of his term?

Stop believing what you hear and actually do some research.
Well, that's at least true. GDP in 1988 was about 7 Trillion; today it's maybe 15.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

No, sorry you have no idea what that graph shows and the relevance it has to the economic conditions TODAY, 2013

It shows that his current recession is deeper, by several orders of magnitude, than anything Reagan faced.
 
Well, that's at least true. GDP in 1988 was about 7 Trillion; today it's maybe 15.

So exactly what does that tell you. Debt to GDP then vs. now? You love percentages, that should make you think a little
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

It shows that his current recession is deeper, by several orders of magnitude, than anything Reagan faced.

No doubt that is what you think, where does leadership play into problem solving and solutions? You fail to recognize the failure of leadership under Obama compared to the incredible leadership under Reagan. I know this is hard for you to understand but by any economic measurement the 81-82 recession hurt the American people more than this one in terms of larger numbers. You obviously weren't old enough to understand that, I was. Reagan did not demonize the opposition, he worked with the opposition but more importantly he worked and talked to the American people. He was a big cheerleader and in doing that restored confidence and the American work ethic by letting people know that individual wealth creation isn't bad. This is not a zero sum economy meaning that when someone wins someone else doesn't have to lose. That isn't they it works. A growing pie helps all people unlike what Obama seems to promote.

Leaders are responsible for the hand they are dealt not continuing to blame someone else for poor performance. Obama is incompetent, lacks leadership skills, and acts like a street thug. Pay attention to results not rhetoric.
 
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So exactly what does that tell you. Debt to GDP then vs. now? You love percentages, that should make you think a little

It tells me GWB ran up the credit card...typical of a Frat Boy.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

No doubt that is what you think, where does leadership play into problem solving and solutions? You fail to recognize the failure of leadership under Obama compared to the incredible leadership under Reagan. I know this is hard for you to understand but by any economic measurement the 81-82 recession hurt the American people more than this one in terms of larger numbers. You obviously weren't old enough to understand that, I was. Reagan did not demonize the opposition, he worked with the opposition but more importantly he worked and talked to the American people. He was a big cheerleader and in doing that restored confidence and the American work ethic by letting people know that individual wealth creation isn't bad. This is not a zero sum economy meaning that when someone wins someone else doesn't have to lose. That isn't they it works. A growing pie helps all people unlike what Obama seems to promote.

Leaders are responsible for the hand they are dealt not continuing to blame someone else for poor performance. Obama is incompetent, lacks leadership skills, and acts like a street thug. Pay attention to results not rhetoric.
Start talking about the failed leadership of GWB, and you might be onto something.

And, the current Congress--especially the House as led by Boehner, but the Filibustering Republicans in Senate are part of it too--is the obstruction.
 
I know this is hard for you to understand but by any economic measurement the 81-82 recession hurt the American people more than this one in terms of larger numbers. You obviously weren't old enough to understand that, I was.

Hahahaha! That's hilarious.

I think when he says 'American People' he means ' some guy I knew'. That's the only way this sentence makes sense.
 
It tells me GWB ran up the credit card...typical of a Frat Boy.

Right, last time I checked the United States Credit Card was issued by the U.S. Congress. Take a civics course. How many times do I have to prove you wrong before you grow a pair and admit you are wrong?
 
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