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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Be honest now... did you predict Obama or Romney?
I thought Romney had a pretty good shot of winning until the RNC screwed over Ron Paul in the convention rule change midstream. I was one who was going to vote for who ever came out the winner, most likely Romney. The RNC pissed off so many people when they did that...

I wonder how many other people either wrote in Ron Paul on the ballot, or didn't vote after than serious snafu by the RNC.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

What does 2007 have to do with it? Obama saw increased rev for every year he was in office, beginning in 2009.
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2007 is when the democrats took control of congress, and scared investors of business by promising to punish the evil rich.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

When you misuse a parliamentary budget process to improperly ram through a non-budget piece of legislation...well, that's not losing.
What "Misuse the parliamentary budget process"?
Obamacare is a legitimate passed LAW.


So? Just because it is constitutional doesn't mean it is effective.
How is High School?
"So"?
It's effectiveness remains to be seen: the fact that it's a legitimate Law is settled.


LMAO.....and please stop with the crazy hostage rhetoric. It simply demonstrates you not a right-thinking person.
Keep in mind that it's the Democrats in the Senate that for multiple years now have refused to pas actual budgets, hence, we've played with CRs...it is the Democrats fault.
Craziness
Laugh your brain off all you want, your post was Incoherent juvenile Hackery, conflating past budget talks and ACA.
 
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

1) The republicans are the majority in the house.
An open vote of all the House (aka, Clean Resolution) would yield an end to the impasse.


2) Spending bills originate in the house.
And what does this have to do with it?
Obamacare/ACA was passed in the house.
If the current house doesn't like it there are legitimate means to do so.
They don't have the votes, so have chosen illegitimate means.
Hey, lets go after some old Reagan stuff.

3) The senate can vote yes or no.
Duh.
That will not end the impasse.
Boehner refuse to let a 'Clean Resolution' to fund the Govt get voted on.

4) It is the democrats who have cause the shutdown.
What an Obtuse and empty remark.
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

He sure did creating 17 million jobs and we are paying debt service on the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan Debt. Obama has added 6.4 trillion to the debt and created less than 2 million jobs since taking office and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Guess you missed those numbers in your attacks on Republicans.

So if Obama tripled the debt and created 17 million jobs you would have no problem with that?

Actually its 4. 7 million jobs but Republicans will tell you he hasn't created jobs. Also my concern is Republicans mantra that Government doesn't create jobs but yet you give Reagan credit? Please tell me how that works.
 
Clinton lowered Capital Gains Taxes, and had a Republican Congress.

He also built the Sub-Prime Bubble, via executive orders that lowered lebding standards and it was all based on the false narrative of "redlining".

He also appointed a binch of criminals to run Fannie and Freddie, and was a generally scumny dude.

You need to educate yourself.
Right. Bush's recession was Clinton's fault, and Clinton's surplus was Reagan's doing. Got it. :roll:
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

2007 is when the democrats took control of congress, and scared investors of business by promising to punish the evil rich.
So, the Democratic Congress gets credit for the huge Revenues of 2007. Got it.


<snicker>
 
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So if Obama tripled the debt and created 17 million jobs you would have no problem with that?

I challenge you to do some calculations of interest on the debt Reagan started with, to see how much of the debt during Reagan's time was compounded interest because of the double digit bond rates left over by Carter. The average bond rates during the first six years Reagan was in office was around 11%. They finally dropped below 5% before he left office.

I would tell you, but I doubt you would believe it since I already pointed this fact out earlier. You should be knowledgeable about what you speak of, else not be respected here.

The increases in revenue grew strong under Reagan. The economy was far better when he left, than what he had taken over.
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

So if Obama tripled the debt and created 17 million jobs you would have no problem with that?

Actually its 4. 7 million jobs but Republicans will tell you he hasn't created jobs. Also my concern is Republicans mantra that Government doesn't create jobs but yet you give Reagan credit? Please tell me how that works.

At least 17 million would indicate improvement. 2 million is going backwards, considering the population has increase by more than 11 million while he was in office.

The debt only grew by 134% under Reagan in his 8 years when you look at the fiscal years he signed budgets for instead of days in office. At the rate Obama's debt is increasing, it will be 116% greater under his budgets. That's pretty bad considering he has such low debt rats when Reagan's debt rates were multiple times greater. If I go back to calender time in office, at the rate Obama's debt is increasing, it will be about 158% more than when he took office.

These calculations are using table 1.1 and 7.1 of the OMB history.
 
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So, the Democratic Congress gets credit for the huge Revenues of 2007. Got it.


<snicker>

No, and you should know better. Their first budget was FY 2009.
 
Right. Bush's recession was Clinton's fault, and Clinton's surplus was Reagan's doing. Got it. :roll:

Can you be serious, or are you going to be a trolling clown?

Clinton had The Lord of Planar, and my buddies, helping him. The Y2K scare, and internet boom. The Y2K scare was over before Bush took office, but wow... the revenues from corporate profits poured in. The internet bubble popped earlier in Bush's first term, and there was 9/11 too. The recession came after democrats elected to congress promised to be the poor's Robin Hood against the rich.

CMP (Chemical Mechanical Planarization) was a new process in the early 90's It was the paradigm shift that allowed the semiconductor industry to break the 1 micron line widths on chips. I was instrumental in CMP in the 90's, and I know how it revolutionized the industry.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

He has no Mexican in him whatsoever. That was my original point that obviously went whoosh right over your little head.


For some reason I have Mexican on the mind, he's cuban, I believe.
 
Can you be serious, or are you going to be a trolling clown?

Clinton had The Lord of Planar, and my buddies, helping him. The Y2K scare, and internet boom. The Y2K scare was over before Bush took office, but wow... the revenues from corporate profits poured in. The internet bubble popped earlier in Bush's first term, and there was 9/11 too. The recession came after democrats elected to congress promised to be the poor's Robin Hood against the rich.

CMP (Chemical Mechanical Planarization) was a new process in the early 90's It was the paradigm shift that allowed the semiconductor industry to break the 1 micron line widths on chips. I was instrumental in CMP in the 90's, and I know how it revolutionized the industry.
Clinton rode the wave of peace and prosperity. So, your planer idea, for example, ended up in the market and not stuck somewhere buried under a mountain of "Top Secret" paperwork.

Bush tried to avert the recession caused by the I/T collapse by stoking the flames for a boom in housing market, which allowed people to supplement their incomes through borrowing while allowing banks to leverage at unheard of rates. He also threw a blind eye at all the fraud in the mortgage industry as worthless sub-prime portfolios were sold off to foreign investors. Oh, and on top of all that, there was also the whole war-thing, which buried new technologies in that Top Secret underworld again. In the end, all of that bit him in the ass.
 
Can you be serious, or are you going to be a trolling clown?

Clinton had The Lord of Planar, and my buddies, helping him. The Y2K scare, and internet boom. The Y2K scare was over before Bush took office, but wow... the revenues from corporate profits poured in. The internet bubble popped earlier in Bush's first term, and there was 9/11 too. The recession came after democrats elected to congress promised to be the poor's Robin Hood against the rich.

CMP (Chemical Mechanical Planarization) was a new process in the early 90's It was the paradigm shift that allowed the semiconductor industry to break the 1 micron line widths on chips. I was instrumental in CMP in the 90's, and I know how it revolutionized the industry.

Wow! Not only did you prove global warming to be wrong by simple calculations, but you also were the reason the world economy was incredibly strong in the 90s!

We are all impressed.

Hopefully you'll turn your prodigious talents to the problem of Fusion, or a Universal Theory for Physics. Maybe if you have time in a couple weeks?

That being said...I'm pretty sure the Y2K scare didn't help the economy a whole lot, and the Internet boom was a stock market event rather than a GDP event...at least back in the 90s.
 
Wow! Not only did you prove global warming to be wrong by simple calculations, but you also were the reason the world economy was incredibly strong in the 90s!

We are all impressed.

Hopefully you'll turn your prodigious talents to the problem of Fusion, or a Universal Theory for Physics. Maybe if you have time in a couple weeks?

That being said...I'm pretty sure the Y2K scare didn't help the economy a whole lot, and the Internet boom was a stock market event rather than a GDP event...at least back in the 90s.
Your understanding of the economy is definitely unimpressive.
 
Clinton rode the wave of peace and prosperity. So, your planer idea, for example, ended up in the market and not stuck somewhere buried under a mountain of "Top Secret" paperwork.

Bush tried to avert the recession caused by the I/T collapse by stoking the flames for a boom in housing market, which allowed people to supplement their incomes through borrowing while allowing banks to leverage at unheard of rates. He also threw a blind eye at all the fraud in the mortgage industry as worthless sub-prime portfolios were sold off to foreign investors. Oh, and on top of all that, there was also the whole war-thing, which buried new technologies in that Top Secret underworld again. In the end, all of that bit him in the ass.

OMG...

You are so wrong.
 
The irony
???

I know you don't promise to take money away from others and not expect them to protect themselves. Economies shrink this way. Not expand.

I know that the technological progress between what CMP did, and the Y2K scare generated huge profits and revenues to the government, while employing so many more people in high paying jobs than normal.
 
Dude, you prove yourself more wrong with every post in a classic case of open mouth insert foot.

Conservative Logic: Tripling debt,good; adding less than 50% to a debt, bad. What's the difference? THe tripling occurred under the Conservative's idol: Ron-Ron; while the slight increase is happening under a Democrat with a funny sounding name.

Lady, you really have a comprehension as well as a basic understanding o economics problem. I hope you aren't handling your own personal finances. You obviously don't understand the difference between actual dollars and percentage change. Have you noticed you aren't getting a lot of support here? Ask anyone you know that if 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years is worse than 6.4 trillion in 5 and after the laughing stops let me know the answer?
 
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Uh, Obama's increased revenue by over $1 Trillion.

So, that must mean Obama's debt is good. Right?

Is that right? how did that increase in revenue affect the debt?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Perfect example of "Open mouth insert foot".

Saying the little blip in 80 was worse than the Bush Recession of 2007 is ridiculous. If you honestly believe it, then you have demonstrated to us your complete and total ignorance.

Tell me your personal experience with the Reagan recession of 81-82? Numbers certainly aren't your friend here and never will be. How do you know this recession was worse? Do you own a home? What interest rates are you being charged now vs. then? How about your credit interest then vs. now? Calamity. you really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, this is embarrassing.
 
What are you blabbing about? None of what you said here is true.

Let's see, Obama 6.4 trillion in 5 years =1.3 trillion per year

Bush 4.9 trillion in 8 years-600 billion per year, looks like doubling the yearly debt. How do those numbers grab you?
 
Clinton lowered Capital Gains Taxes, and had a Republican Congress.

He also built the Sub-Prime Bubble, via executive orders that lowered lebding standards and it was all based on the false narrative of "redlining".

He also appointed a binch of criminals to run Fannie and Freddie, and was a generally scumny dude.

You need to educate yourself.

Really is a shame, isn't it? educate herself? Now there is a novel idea.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I thought Romney had a pretty good shot of winning until the RNC screwed over Ron Paul in the convention rule change midstream. I was one who was going to vote for who ever came out the winner, most likely Romney. The RNC pissed off so many people when they did that...

I wonder how many other people either wrote in Ron Paul on the ballot, or didn't vote after than serious snafu by the RNC.

Primaries are becoming so rigged its insane. The establishment seems to get the candidate they want almost every time. Although Obama kind of threw a wrench in that for Hillary.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

So if Obama tripled the debt and created 17 million jobs you would have no problem with that?

Actually its 4. 7 million jobs but Republicans will tell you he hasn't created jobs. Also my concern is Republicans mantra that Government doesn't create jobs but yet you give Reagan credit? Please tell me how that works.

Tripling the debt he inherited of 10.6 trillion dollars would put the debt at over 30 trillion which is double our current GDP. He would have to do a lot better than 17 million jobs. You simply haven't any idea what you are talking about. It isn't the President's job to create jobs, but it is his job to create the economic environment for the private sector to create those jobs and things like demonizing the wealth creators and Obamacare don't do that.
 
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