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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Your hopeless. Your so biased that you cheer deficit spending by the GOP but howl like a stuck pig when a Democrat does it at a lower rate.

Enjoy your uninformed paradigm.
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Do you honestly believe someone should cheer trillion dollar deficits that are just a little less than the previous year? Wow!
 
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Conservative said:
How is Obama doing in your state?
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Utah is a Mitt Romney state, so what do you think?


Perhaps it might help to know what Romney thinks of Cruz's strategy....


"....Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, doesn’t support the breakaway group of conservatives who are open to forcing a government shutdown to cut off funding for Obamacare....<snip>....“I’m afraid that in the final analysis, Obamacare would get its funding, our party would suffer in the next elections, and the people of the nation would not be happy,” he said.....,snip>.... Sen. Mike Lee of Utah is leading an effort on Capitol Hill that calls on lawmakers to shutdown the government before they support a spending proposal that includes funds for Obamacare...."

Mitt Romney warns against government shutdown to defund Obamacare - Washington Times


With five national parks within it's borders and it's peak tourist season right now and HAFB furloughing over half the base.......well, lets just say Utahans are not amused by Cruz and Lee's crusade to take down Obamacare at their expense......



"....It's very frustrating to have our Congress turn their backs on us like this," Milliner said, "…<snip> ..."I got a lot of phone calls supporting what I do, and (neighbors) all offered to call their congressmen and express what they're doing to good people in our community," said Milliner, who hopes that a flood of messages from concerned constituents could break the impasse...."
Hill Air Force Base employees protest government shutdown | Deseret News

Utah national parks, military workers feels bite of government shutdown | Deseret News

Northern Utah economy braces for effects of shutdown | The Salt Lake Tribune


You can bet your bippy that Mike Lee's office is getting an earful. Don't be surprised if this is his first and last term as senator.
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Threegoofs said:
Hahaha! This dude thinks the sequester is the reason deficits have been precipitously falling for the last three years!

This is why we can't have nice things.
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Are you really cheering the trillion dollar deficits because they are a little lower than the previous year? You cannot be this brainwashed? Wow!!
 
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Moot said:
Utah is a Mitt Romney state, so what do you think?


Perhaps it might help to know what Romney thinks of Cruz's strategy....


"....Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, doesn’t support the breakaway group of conservatives who are open to forcing a government shutdown to cut off funding for Obamacare....<snip>....“I’m afraid that in the final analysis, Obamacare would get its funding, our party would suffer in the next elections, and the people of the nation would not be happy,” he said.....,snip>.... Sen. Mike Lee of Utah is leading an effort on Capitol Hill that calls on lawmakers to shutdown the government before they support a spending proposal that includes funds for Obamacare...."

Mitt Romney warns against government shutdown to defund Obamacare - Washington Times


With five national parks within it's borders and it's peak tourist season right now and HAFB furloughing over half the base.......well, lets just say Utahans are not amused by Cruz and Lee's crusade to take down Obamacare at their expense......



"....It's very frustrating to have our Congress turn their backs on us like this," Milliner said, "…<snip> ..."I got a lot of phone calls supporting what I do, and (neighbors) all offered to call their congressmen and express what they're doing to good people in our community," said Milliner, who hopes that a flood of messages from concerned constituents could break the impasse...."
Hill Air Force Base employees protest government shutdown | Deseret News

Utah national parks, military workers feels bite of government shutdown | Deseret News

Northern Utah economy braces for effects of shutdown | The Salt Lake Tribune


You can bet your bippy that Mike Lee is getting an earful. Don't be surprised if this is his first and last term as senator.
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I know exactly what I think which is why I asked the question. Your claims about your Senator are irrelevant because Utah is a conservative state and on that principle got it right. You really think I give a damn about a govt. employee getting a furlough knowing that they will get their back pay when the shutdown ends? You really believe that today's Democrat party has a clue what they are doing to the economy of this country or even care? I say they don't care because to them it is all about power and using people like you to get their lies out.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Are you really cheering the trillion dollar deficits because they are a little lower than the previous year?
You cannot be this brainwashed?
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Wow!!
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He can be ... and is ... and quite obsessively confrontational about it ... a wonderment to watch.
 
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bubbabgone said:
He can be ... and is ... and quite obsessively confrontational about it ... a wonderment to watch.
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It really is a wonderment to watch, wonder why there is so much passion by so many for a Federally mandated entitlement program that history says will be similar to the high costs and low returns of SS and Medicare
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

greengirl77 said:
The bills were already approved by congress the debt ceiling is to pay those bills nothing else it never has been. This is not anything new. This is just a Republican ploy to relitigate stuff. By taking American credit hostage and throwing a hissy fit. The bills were passed now it time to pay them. It has been that way for a long time.
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No, the bills were not approved. No funding has been approved for FY2014.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Kushinator said:
The deficit has been falling every year since 2009. For example, from July 2012 - July 2013, the accumulated deficit was roughly $722 billion.
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Due to higher taxes. Thats not a good thing.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

jonny5 said:
Due to higher taxes. Thats not a good thing.
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Taxes have been raised every year since 2009?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
It really is a wonderment to watch, wonder why there is so much passion by so many for a Federally mandated entitlement program that history says will be similar to the high costs and low returns of SS and Medicare
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it is also amazing to see how much interest there is in the program.

in Connecticut
One Man's Experience As Health Exchange Begins Enrollment: 'It Made My Day' - Hartford Courant

in michigan
Insurance exchange debut draws millions | The Detroit News

in colorado

The Durango Herald 10/01/2013 | Heavy traffic slows health website on debut day

and in california
Demand is strong as Obamacare enrollment starts in California - latimes.com
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Unitedwestand13 said:
it is also amazing to see how much interest there is in the program.

in Connecticut
One Man's Experience As Health Exchange Begins Enrollment: 'It Made My Day' - Hartford Courant

in michigan
Insurance exchange debut draws millions | The Detroit News

in colorado

The Durango Herald 10/01/2013 | Heavy traffic slows health website on debut day

and in california
Demand is strong as Obamacare enrollment starts in California - latimes.com
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I think it is awesome until the bill comes due, a bill which for some reason a liberal never seems to get. The key is will Obamacare be able to get the young healthy individuals to sign up so that costs aren't bourn by the taxpayers. That remains to be seen. I cannot help but wonder why you have such passion for this issue especially knowing that it is a personal responsibility as well as a state expense not a Federal expense. You simply cannot see this as the money and power grab that it is. Wonder why?
 
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greengirl77 said:
It is not Obama money the debt has to be paid according to the Constitution. That also is Reagans, Bush 1, Clinton's, and Bush 2 debt as well. Sorry you righties are fixing to lose another arguement.
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Right? What do you mean? What I said was a page from Economics 101.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Unitedwestand13 said:
it is also amazing to see how much interest there is in the program.

in Connecticut
One Man's Experience As Health Exchange Begins Enrollment: 'It Made My Day' - Hartford Courant

in michigan
Insurance exchange debut draws millions | The Detroit News

in colorado

The Durango Herald 10/01/2013 | Heavy traffic slows health website on debut day

and in california
Demand is strong as Obamacare enrollment starts in California - latimes.com
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How many of them dropped checks in the mail after viewing the website?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
I know exactly what I think which is why I asked the question.
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Oh, well in that case, be sure to keep your thoughts to yourself.


Your claims about your Senator are irrelevant because Utah is a conservative state and on that principle got it right. You really think I give a damn about a govt. employee getting a furlough knowing that they will get their back pay when the shutdown ends? You really believe that today's Democrat party has a clue what they are doing to the economy of this country or even care? I say they don't care because to them it is all about power and using people like you to get their lies out.
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Well, since you're asking, I think my claims are more relevant, credible and well thought out than yours, actually.
 
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Moot said:
Oh, well in that case, be sure to keep your thoughts to yourself.


Well, since you're asking, I think my claims are more relevant, credible and well thought out than yours, actually.
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I am not surprised because I have the same feelings about my claims vs. yours. Too bad we really cannot compare resumes to see which of us is more credible.
 
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Conservative said:
I am not surprised because I have the same feelings about my claims vs. yours. Too bad we really cannot compare resumes to see which of us is more credible.
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Yeah, what a pity. lol
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
I told you a long time ago that Reagan nearly tripled the debt; Bush Jr almost doubled it and Obama only raised it a mere 45%.
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It's conservatives who like to borrow and spend.
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Interesting anytime a liberal brings up such charts, they either fail to realize how it misleads, or their intent is to mislead.

I wonder what calamity's intent is...

If we take Bush's 2 terms that concluded with an 86% increase, and annualize it, it is 8.07% annually. Obomba's annualized is 2 years is 20.42%
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

joko104 said:
The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.
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I know it's amazing...

The Chicago Tribune has and have headlines that read "Democrats In Senate Reject House Republican Proposal for Government Funding" yet the ****ING PROGRESSIVE MORONS continue to blame non-progressives........

It's literally ****ing amazing how stupid these ****ing people actually are...

These people don't pay attention even to their own mouthpieces .....
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Interesting anytime a liberal brings up such charts, they either fail to realize how it misleads, or their intent is to mislead.

I wonder what calamity's intent is...

If we take Bush's 2 terms that concluded with an 86% increase, and annualize it, it is 8.07% annually. Obomba's annualized is 9.73%.
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I love particularly how liberals love to use percentage change ignoring the base that percentage is based upon. No question about it, it is an attempt to mislead or else is just shows plain ignorance. Only a liberal could say that 4.9 trillion added over 8 years is worse than 6.4 trillion added in 5. Doesn't seem to matter that the 4.9 trillion isn't going to go up but the 6.4 trillion is and debt service is paid on actual debt not percentage change.
 
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Conservative said:
I love particularly how liberals love to use percentage change ignoring the base that percentage is based upon. No question about it, it is an attempt to mislead or else is just shows plain ignorance. Only a liberal could say that 4.9 trillion added over 8 years is worse than 6.4 trillion added in 5. Doesn't seem to matter that the 4.9 trillion isn't going to go up but the 6.4 trillion is and debt service is paid on actual debt not percentage change.
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Yes, but it is also fiscal year to fiscal year that is to be considered. 10/1 to 9/30. Bush's terms included the time from 10/1/2002 to 9/30/2009 for budgets he signed into law. Everyone needs to remember the budget ending 9/20/02 was signed into law by Clinton. The chart showing it for Obama is from 10/1/09 to 1/31/12. Two years and 4 months. Now i did calculate Obama's wrong, as a strait 2 years, but it isn't 5 either. Annualizing that 45% over 2-1/3 years is 17.26%. Not the 20.42% I previously said.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
I love particularly how liberals love to use percentage change ignoring the base that percentage is based upon. No question about it, it is an attempt to mislead or else is just shows plain ignorance. Only a liberal could say that 4.9 trillion added over 8 years is worse than 6.4 trillion added in 5. Doesn't seem to matter that the 4.9 trillion isn't going to go up but the 6.4 trillion is and debt service is paid on actual debt not percentage change.
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They will lie deliberately, and mislead, to support their ideology and party.

Some say this is a lack of morals but I say they have no pride in themselves either. It goes beyond mere stupidity, which can of course be forgiven.
 
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Conservative said:
I love particularly how .....
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Ooops.

You snagged my earlier quote before I corrected it. I originally used 4 years, till I remembered how late fiscal budgets start, then also noticed the chart specified Jan '12. I also had a quick edit for 3 years in there.
 
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Grant said:
They will lie deliberately, and mislead, to support their ideology and party.

Some say this is a lack of morals but I say they have no pride in themselves either. It goes beyond mere stupidity, which can of course be forgiven.
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Chronic liars have no pride. I wonder if they even understand the concept.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Yes, but it is also fiscal year to fiscal year that is to be considered. 10/1 to 9/30. Bush's terms included the time from 10/1/2002 to 9/30/2009 for budgets he signed into law. Everyone needs to remember the budget ending 9/20/02 was signed into law by Clinton. The chart showing it for Obama is from 10/1/09 to 1/31/12. Two years and 4 months. Now i did calculate Obama's wrong, as a strait 2 years, but it isn't 5 either. Annualizing that 45% over 2-1/3 years is 17.26%. Not the 20.42% I previously said.
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I remember right after 9/11 the claim was that "we would never forget" but obviously many have. According to the GAO, 9/11 cost the treasury over a trillion dollars which is part of that Bush debt. Just information, still part of the Bush legacy. Interesting how that debt is included in the 4.9 trillion dollars but for some reason that debt is higher than the 6.4 trillion Obama has added in 5 years.
 
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