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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

and the democrats in the senate didn't vote on the house bills change it and send it back?

look i can potentially see a argument to be made about the democrats being the unreasonable party, if this was the only time republicans demanding a delay in implementing the affordable care act in exchange for funding the government.

However one has to take into account that the republicans have voted to delay, repeal, or defund the affordable care act at least 40 times before, and now they are trying to accomplish the same thing as what the previous 40 votes tried to do, only thing is that they are making it their key demand over a continuing resolution to fund the government and avert a government shutdown.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

How many times do I have to post this link?

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Copy it down and keep it for future reference.

You want debt service by year, here you go, look up the budgets by year.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

The cost of the wars are in each yearly budget and deficit so what do any of that have to do with Obama's budgets? The Iraq War was ended by the Bush status of Forces Agreement in October 2008.

You want GDP by year,

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

You want the unemployment and employment numbers by year, go here

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Want me to post the charts for you? Hopefully someone here will actually do some research and learn something.

Doubtful!!!
But at least you tried !!:lol:
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Obama hasn't spent less,
Of course spending has been cut, both in terms of spending trends and in real spending since 2009.
he has spent more and still have 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers.
Overall spending declines by govt has resulted in massive job losses, the idea that federal and state/local spending are intertwined is a basic failure of your propaganda.


Only in the liberal world is keeping more of what you earn an expense to the govt.
Reducing revenue does not cause debts to remain....is a conservative argument.

A govt. shutdown is the liberal's way of diverting again from the terrible Obama performance and a way to delegate responsibility which no leader can ever do.
Um, causing a shutdown over health care is the way conservatives want to further damage the US economy. Your flip-flop on whether it will damage the economy is noted.
 
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There will be one way to find out, shut it down!!!
I already showed that just the DEBATE on debt limit damaged the economy.....but that is what conservatives wanted.

This all stems from Ryan's insistence on spending cuts in exchange for the 2011 debt limit compromise.
Cons get what they want....but they still act unhappy.

What an act!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

look i can potentially see a argument to be made about the democrats being the unreasonable party, if this was the only time republicans demanding a delay in implementing the affordable care act in exchange for funding the government.

However one has to take into account that the republicans have voted to delay, repeal, or defund the affordable care act at least 40 times before, and now they are trying to accomplish the same thing as what the previous 40 votes tried to do, only thing is that they are making it their key demand over a continuing resolution to fund the government and avert a government shutdown.
my point made is WHY DID CNN LEAVE OUT THE QUESTION? WHY WASNT CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS NOT INCLUDED IN THE POLL THEY ARE AS MUCH PART OF THE PROCESS AS CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS

I will tell you why either they are scared the democrats will get as much or maybe even more of the blame, or that they did ask the question didn't like the results and left it out of their reporting. either way it shows a bias and pushing an agenda and a narrative of CNN blaming republicans no matter what and a cherry picking poll to reinforce that false narrative
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

my point made is WHY DID CNN LEAVE OUT THE QUESTION? WHY WASNT CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS NOT INCLUDED IN THE POLL THEY ARE AS MUCH PART OF THE PROCESS AS CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS

I will tell you why either they are scared the democrats will get as much or maybe even more of the blame, or that they did ask the question didn't like the results and left it out of their reporting. either way it shows a bias and pushing an agenda and a narrative of CNN blaming republicans no matter what and a cherry picking poll to reinforce that false narrative

is the washington post also part of the conspiracy?

POLL: Just one in four approve of Republicans handling of government shutdown standoff

and here is the poll
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Personally, I think that republicans do indeed share in the blame, but you can't put it all on them when people want compromise, house republicans do exactly that, and demo's come back with 'NO, our way, or nothing, and we will lie and blame you for it....!'

The Republicans came back with another demand. They haven't put anything on the table in exchange and their "or else" is essentially allowing the Democrats to watch the Republican Congressman be eviscerated in the polls. I'd be happy to watch the GOP implode. Or they could actually compromise, sweeten the pot, and offer the Democrats something big enough to match what they are asking for.
 
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There will be one way to find out, shut it down!!!

The nihilism of conservatism in full flower. Fortunately after the next election the tea party will be nothing more than a bad memory.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

News Flash, "letting people keep more" (reducing revenue) contributes to debt.

It's easy to see who you voted for!! What causes debt is government spending money they don't have. The same holds true for a household.
If you reduce spending in a depressed economy, you make the economy worse. Austerity in a time of depressed demand extends the depressed economy. The Austerians have lost this argument.

So now that Obama has spent $7,000,000,000,000 of money he doesn't have, a debt Americans will likely never be able to repay, what has anyone but his crony capitalist friends got to show for it?
 
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The Republicans came back with another demand. They haven't put anything on the table in exchange and their "or else" is essentially allowing the Democrats to watch the Republican Congressman be eviscerated in the polls. I'd be happy to watch the GOP implode. Or they could actually compromise, sweeten the pot, and offer the Democrats something big enough to match what they are asking for.

What do you suggest they sweeten the pot with? More pork?
 
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It's easy to see who you voted for!! What causes debt is government spending money they don't have. The same holds true for a household.


So now that Obama has spent $7,000,000,000,000 of money he doesn't have, a debt Americans will likely never be able to repay, what has anyone but his crony capitalist friends got to show for it?

So you're playing let's pretend Bush didn't happen? A fun game.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Why not? a delay? what's wrong with that?

Repubs: "trash obamacare or we will shut down the government"
Dems: "ok"

Next year

Repubs: "trash medicare or we will shut down the government"​


Obvious is obvious.

Congress is supposed to deliberate and pass laws. Obamacare was deliberated and passed and upheld in the SCOTUS. This isn't congress doing that. It is as they are saying, holding the country hostage, putting our economy in jeopardy just to throw a temper tantrum because they can't win elections. It is the epitome of putting party before country.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Republicans have been lying about their stance on social policy for near a century now. They've been trying to dismantle social programs since the New Deal implemented them and every election they keep lying and lying about how they won't dismantle them... they just want to "improve" them. They damn well know if they speak the truth about what they want and intend to do to social programs they will lose elections.

So they lie about it and this government shutdown should shed one helluva light on their real intentions for people to see.

FDR had you guys and your bull**** lies pegged from the start:

 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Republicans have been lying about their stance on social policy for near a century now. They've been trying to dismantle social programs since the New Deal implemented them and every election they keep lying and lying about how they won't dismantle them... they just want to "improve" them. They damn well know if they speak the truth about what they want and intend to do to social programs they will lose elections.

So they lie about it and this government shutdown should shed one helluva light on their real intentions for people to see.

FDR had you guys and your bull**** lies pegged from the start:



That was a great link! I especially liked the one where Obama was toasting the Queen. Did you see it?
 
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Blame hell we should hawg all the credit!
sing it from the rooftops: the death panels are coming, the death panels are coming!

obama-obamacare-death-panel-kathleen-sebelius.jpg
 
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Every hospital has a death panel and has for decades. Ever since emergency and medical care was required whether a person can pay for it or not. They don't call them death panels, of course. Rather, they claim to calculate the percentage of likely benefit. So, for example, if the odds are only 40% you would live with a heart transplant? You don't get one. Age also does factor in.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Republicans have been lying about their stance on social policy for near a century now. They've been trying to dismantle social programs since the New Deal implemented them and every election they keep lying and lying about how they won't dismantle them...
I'm not sure which radio pogrom [sic] you've bean a watchin' with yer earballs thar buddie, if their mission was to staunch the Fifth Column's bloody rampage of Communism from sea to shining sea, sure looks like they've failed to me! I know you'd rather we when quietly into that good night but you've got to undo the 2nd amendment first Think about Comrade, you've managed to trash ALL the rest!
 
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Doubtful!!!
But at least you tried !!:lol:

LOL, feel free to counter anything that I posted here with more credible information. Interesting how those sites were never a problem during the Clinton term but now for some reason aren't credible, probably because they don't show Obama in a favorable light.

Love liberals like you making claims like doubtful but never being specific and never offering data to refute the information. I call you a low information voter.
 
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never a problem during the Clinton shenanigans
Everyone knew Slick Willie was a total Dawg My wife was actually more upset with Hillary! At least now she's come out that she bats for both teams? :lamo
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I still recall my outrage when old William Jefferson shot some Tomahawks into Iraq on the eve of the Impeachment dealio
whoda thunk it that the second black President would one up him by handing Syria to the Rooskies? :lamo
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

How many times do I have to post this link?

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Copy it down and keep it for future reference.

You want debt service by year, here you go, look up the budgets by year.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

The cost of the wars are in each yearly budget and deficit so what do any of that have to do with Obama's budgets? The Iraq War was ended by the Bush status of Forces Agreement in October 2008.

You want GDP by year,

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

You want the unemployment and employment numbers by year, go here

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Want me to post the charts for you? Hopefully someone here will actually do some research and learn something.

1. So the debt doubled under Bush II (5 trillion to 9.3 trillion). Under Obama it has gone from 9 to 16, meaning it will double again by the time he is out. The increase from 9 to 16 is in a large part the due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that were started under Bush II. If you subtract 6 trillion from the amount the debt will be by the time Obama is out and the interest on the 9.3 trillion debt Obama inherited, it indicates the debt is nil.

Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says - Washington Post
Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says
The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.

2. The link you gave me does not show the GDP prior to 2010. Obama took office in 2008. But from 2010 to present the GDP has increased; which means USA is producing more. So USA is going the right direction there, and I cannot see if GDP rose under Bush II.

3. The truth about unemployment. Bill Clinton gave Bush II a 2.4% unemployment. While in office, Bush ran that up to 7.4% (while doling out a $700 billion bailout). Since Obama took office it went as high as 9.4%, but it is back to 7.8% which is almost what Bush II ran it up to. So the big culprit is the POTUS that ran it from 2.5% to 7.2% more so than the POTUS who went from 7.2% to 7.8%.
Fact Check: Is unemployment rate higher since President Obama took office? | Connecticut 5th District
Fact Check: Is unemployment rate higher since President Obama took office?
In the past 30 years, the unemployment rate was as high as 7.2 percent in November 1982 before dipping to a low of 3 percent in November 1987; the next bust resulted in 7.4 percent unemployment in March 1992 during President George H.W. Bush’s administration before a steady recovery to a record low unemployment of 2.1 percent in Sept. 2000 when President Bill Clinton was in office.
Starting in Jan. 20, 2001, at the beginning of George W. Bush’s administration, the rate was 2.4 percent, but by the time he left in January 2009 it had reached 7 percent, following the near collapse of the financial services industry and a government bailout of $700 billion in Oct. 2008 because of the subprime mortgage crisis.
Barack Obama assumed office on Jan. 20, 2009 with the 7 percent rate, which continued to grow to 9.4 percent in August 2010, a three-decade high, and only started to slowly go down throughout 2011 to 8 percent in January 2012 and now to 7.8 percent in February.
 
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