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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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head of joaquin said:
So you're not for cutting Big Gummit after all!

I thought not!

Thanks for proving once again the dishonesty of conservatism (and the paranoia that feeds it)
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Responsible cutting yes, irresponsible no, you think a 3.77 trillion dollar budget is responsible? Where are those Obama cuts?
 
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Conservative said:
Hey, those are awesome, isn't the Obama employment record great?
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You prove once again you ignore the context....of YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.

You stated that shutdowns via budget impasses (debt limits/stopping CR's) do not "under(mine?) the economy".

I show they certainly do.

You go off ignoring your own argument.

This is why it is pointless to have debates with you. You never even acknowledge the absolute failures of your arguments, you just go on to the next failure, repeated ad nauseum.

Carry on.
 
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Barack Obama has a 44% Job Approval rating and is willing to give exemptions to large campaign contributors and Congress has no problem exempting themselves from Obamacare yet liberals here believe that the GOP will bear the brunt of any shutdown? Obama claims he wants to compromise so please someone give me an Obama compromise on the GOP budget request? Obama compromises, no Govt. shutdown, he doesn't, he is responsible for that shutdown
 
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Conservative said:
That is your opinion but others disagree with you believing the double dip in 81-82 was worse. Obstructionism is a term used by liberal politicians to appeal to the low information voters that support Obama. You see, leadership is about taking the hand you are dealt and solving the problems. Obama hasn't gotten the hand he was dealt yet as apparently it wasn't delivered to the golf courses or while he was in vacation. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of ignorance that you are showing.
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Speaking of 'low information voters' (aka stupid people), here is their conservative candidate reading from his teleprompter. Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic. - YouTube
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You prove once again you ignore the context....of YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.

You stated that shutdowns via budget impasses (debt limits/stopping CR's) do not "under(mine?) the economy".

I show they certainly do.

You go off ignoring your own argument.

This is why it is pointless to have debates with you. You never even acknowledge the absolute failures of your arguments, you just go on to the next failure, repeated ad nauseum.

Carry on.
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If there is a shutdown, it will be Obama that instigates it. He compromises with various campaign contributors but not with the GOP in Congress. A delay in Obamacare for a year after giving all those exemptions is a compromise or the other compromise would be to exempt no one and thus no govt. shutdown
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

trfjr said:
why wasn't the questioned ask if any one would blame congressional democrats?
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Who is the party that is throwing the fit and a country hostage? Thats probably why
 
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greengirl77 said:
Who is the party that is throwing the fit and a country hostage? Thats probably why
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What fit would that be, shutting down the govt. hurts liberals more than conservatives and if it happens, the blame belongs to Obama for not compromising with Republicans
 
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Conservative said:
If there is a shutdown, it will be Obama that instigates it. He compromises with various campaign contributors but not with the GOP in Congress. A delay in Obamacare for a year after giving all those exemptions is a compromise or the other compromise would be to exempt no one and thus no govt. shutdown
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A complete non-sequtur, a shutdown will have a negative effect on the economy, regardless of how you want to propagandize the cause.

If it had no negative effect, then it would be pointless to assign blame.
 
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greengirl77 said:
Who is the party that is throwing the fit and a country hostage? Thats probably why
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so congressional democrats are not involved in process? they are more involved then Obama
its a cherry picking poll to push an agenda and narrative
 
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Conservative said:
What fit would that be, shutting down the govt. hurts liberals more than conservatives and if it happens, the blame belongs to Obama for not compromising with Republicans
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He shouldnt have to on a bill that is law and has been 5 years past. Plus he was reelected as well. Republicans look very stupid in this!
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Ah, so less revenue can increase debt!

The transformation miraculously occurs again!

That is quite different than arguing having less revenue does not increase debt:
"allowing people to keep more of their hard earned wages rather than have it wasted by government, is hardly a contributor to debt."

Less revenue is less revenue.....not matter how you try to propagandize it.
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Perhaps, if I type slower, you'll be able to understand the concept.

NO LESS REVENUE DOESN'T INCREASE DEBT - SPENDING MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN INCREASES DEBT.

IF YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH LESS REVENUE, SPEND LESS.

I won't hold my breath expecting any "miraculous transformations" in return - and with that, have a good night - useless conversations are a waste of my time - and go right ahead, claim I'm running away and you win - you wouldn't be a liberal if that wasn't the expected response to anyone unwilling to endlessly participate in such mindless liberal drivel.
 
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trfjr said:
why wasn't the questioned asked if any one would blame congressional democrats?
what was CNN scared to find? do they not think any one would blame congressional democrats? its a cherry picking poll to push an agenda and narrative
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democrats in the house don't have enough votes to derail anything the republican leadership wants to put up to a vote. the house is governed by majority rule so the only the thing preventing a republican bill from proceeding to the senate is if the republican caucuas revolts against house leadership.

the senate operates on different procedural rules then the house, that is why there are things like the filibuster.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
A complete non-sequtur, a shutdown will have a negative effect on the economy, regardless of how you want to propagandize the cause.

If it had no negative effect, then it would be pointless to assign blame.
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What economy? We don't have an economy anymore, just a lot of phony numbers, built on a house of cards, and bloviation nonsense meant to lull the American people to sleep while progressive demo's attempt to destroy free markets, and capitalism.
 
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clownboy said:
Congress has passed all sorts of laws that later it reconsidered. Otherwise slavery would still be legal and women still property of their husbands. The people hate this Obamacare crap, and they're going to hate it even more the longer it's allowed to continue. The ONLY ones who are for this nightmare are the ones who get free stuff, now there's a surprise.

Democrats didn't read this turd before passage, nor did they know what was in it. They wanted to pass a big signature bill for their signature president. The American people be damned.
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I agree with you about laws being repealed, obviously they must be repealed and revisited...I didn't accurately communicate what I meant.

Slavery is a great example...it was around for 250 years before it was repealed (if that's the right term...). ACA has mostly not even gone into effect.
My issue is with the process, the holding hostage of the country's well being to try to accomplish a goal, and then saying the other side is responsible for "not negotiating." Using a threat that will affect millions of Americans to accomplish a legislative goal...it's not appropriate. Why should Democrats negotiate under this type of threat? Congress has every right to repeal laws, but we don't know yet how this law even affects people. As far as I know, the vast majority of people will not be affected at all...if you have health insurance through your employer, for instance.

But again, point taken about repealing laws, of course it has to happen sometimes. If this law is as disastrous as some seem to think, I will help repeal it! But easy on the shutdowns!
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
A complete non-sequtur, a shutdown will have a negative effect on the economy, regardless of how you want to propagandize the cause.

If it had no negative effect, then it would be pointless to assign blame.
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The Obama performance that has been negative on the economy hasn't seemed to bother you, now he has another excuse for poor performance. all a shutdown will do is give the non information voter more Obama rhetoric to throw at the public, His 44% JAR speaks volumes to those paying attention. A govt. shutdown will be due to Obama and Reid, not the GOP House. Sorry but compromise doesn't mean giving in to everything Obama wants.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
democrats in the house don't have enough votes to derail anything the republican leadership wants to put up to a vote. the house is governed by majority rule so the only the thing preventing a republican bill from proceeding to the senate is if the republican caucuas revolts against house leadership.

the senate operates on different procedural rules then the house, that is why there are things like the filibuster.
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and the democrats in the senate didn't vote on the house bills change it and send it back?
 
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greengirl77 said:
He shouldnt have to on a bill that is law and has been 5 years past. Plus he was reelected as well. Republicans look very stupid in this!
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He gave exemptions after the bill was signed, why not exempt the American people?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Perhaps, if I type slower, you'll be able to understand the concept.

NO LESS REVENUE DOESN'T INCREASE DEBT - SPENDING MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN INCREASES DEBT.
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News Flash, "letting people keep more" (reducing revenue) contributes to debt.

IF YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH LESS REVENUE, SPEND LESS.
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If you reduce spending in a depressed economy, you make the economy worse. Austerity in a time of depressed demand extends the depressed economy. The Austerians have lost this argument.

I won't hold my breath expecting any "miraculous transformations" in return - and with that, have a good night - useless conversations are a waste of my time - and go right ahead, claim I'm running away and you win - you wouldn't be a liberal if that wasn't the expected response to anyone unwilling to endlessly participate in such mindless liberal drivel.
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If I were you, I would leave this thread too.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
News Flash, "letting people keep more" (reducing revenue) contributes to debt.

If you reduce spending in a depressed economy, you make the economy worse. Austerity in a time of depressed demand extends the depressed economy. The Austerians have lost this argument.

If I were you, I would leave this thread too.
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Obama hasn't spent less, he has spent more and still have 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. Only in the liberal world is keeping more of what you earn an expense to the govt. A govt. shutdown is the liberal's way of diverting again from the terrible Obama performance and a way to delegate responsibility which no leader can ever do.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
If I were you, I would leave this thread too.
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Fortunately, you don't rule the thread, and I place as much worth on your advice as your knowledge.

Besides, there are many intelligent people posting here and I enjoy their input, even with the useless background noise that can't be filtered out.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
So you do recognize a shutdown will negatively effect the economy.
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Nope, it will be another excuse for the poor Obama performance and that is what the Obama Administration and supporters like you will claim.
 
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