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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Total accumulated debt was handed to Obama--In your mind, Obama is now responsible for the interest on all of his budgets due to this total accumulated debt he was handed. This is an example of why Speaker Cruz is trashing the Nation.

Total accumulated debt handed to Obama was 10.6 trillion dollars. Total accumulated debt handed to Bush was 5.7 trillion dollars. That debt today is 17 trillion dollars. Obama isn't responsible for any interest on the 10.6 trillion dollars in debt but he is responsible for the interest on the 6.4 trillion dollars generated under his term. I would have thought that you would have learned that in school or haven't you got to that class yet?
 
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And just to be clear, allowing people to keep more of their hard earned wages rather than have it wasted by government, is hardly a contributor to debt.
"Taking in less revenue doesn't increase debt."

Ah, Canadian economics at its best.
 
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Yep, the biggest recession in 70 years, followed by GOP obstructionism has caused problems for 5 years.

Why do you find that suprising? It's the result the GOP wanted.

That is your opinion but others disagree with you believing the double dip in 81-82 was worse. Obstructionism is a term used by liberal politicians to appeal to the low information voters that support Obama. You see, leadership is about taking the hand you are dealt and solving the problems. Obama hasn't gotten the hand he was dealt yet as apparently it wasn't delivered to the golf courses or while he was in vacation. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of ignorance that you are showing.
 
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Total accumulated debt handed to Obama was 10.6 trillion dollars. Total accumulated debt handed to Bush was 5.7 trillion dollars. That debt today is 17 trillion dollars. Obama isn't responsible for any interest on the 10.6 trillion dollars in debt but he is responsible for the interest on the 6.4 trillion dollars generated under his term. I would have thought that you would have learned that in school or haven't you got to that class yet?

Since debt isn't a current problem, your fixation with it is part of the conservative deflection campaign. It's all you guys got.

Let me guess, your solution to the Bush Meltdown is more tax cuts for Paris Hilton and deregulating the financial industry.

BWHHAHAHAHH!

Like a broken record.
 
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"Taking in less revenue doesn't increase debt."

Ah, Canadian economics at its best.

Please post govt data showing that we are talking in less revenue per year because of tax cuts?
 
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"Taking in less revenue doesn't increase debt."

Ah, Canadian economics at its best.

Sorry - not liberal economics so the concept probably went over your head. Canadian economics says that spending more than you take in increases debt - try living your own life the way your government does and see how far you get.
 
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So the Bush meltdown is now 5 years into the Obama Administration? I hope you try that tactic in the private sector or will you remain on your parents financial plan forever?

1. Please list the total cost of the debt Obama inherited, and the interest rate of the debt.
2. Please list the total cost of the Afghanistan war, and who was President when it began.
3. Please list the total cost of the Iraq war, and who was President when it began.
4. Please list the GDP by year since Bush II took office.
5. Please list unemployment since Bush II took office.

If you list those things, we can together as a forum determine which President(s) are to blame for the present debt and the economy in general.
 
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Since debt isn't a current problem, your fixation with it is part of the conservative deflection campaign. It's all you guys got.

Let me guess, your solution to the Bush Meltdown is more tax cuts for Paris Hilton and deregulating the financial industry.

BWHHAHAHAHH!

Like a broken record.

Debt isn't a problem in your world, neither is high unemployment, low economic growth, and massive dependence on the govt. What exactly are the issues that concern you? Maybe when you get your first job you will realize that it isn't an expense to the govt. to keep more of what you earn regardless of what you income is?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

So you call me a hypocrite, and that's okay, because it's you slinging the insult - got it.
Let me help you out, if I point to a quote and label it as hypocrisy, that is a label of the statement. Apparently this is understood differently north of the US border.


And you pointed out no hypocracy on my part, you simple pointed out your inability to comprehend a concept as opposed to a talking point.
Suddenly you understand the statement was labeled as hypocrisy! Amazing!

And I think I made clear that arguing against moves towards UHC from someone who does not want UHC overturned in his own country.....is pretty hypocritical.

But if you feel the need to hide under your momma's apron, that's fine with me - calling you out for what you are was well worth it.
Who is hiding? If you cannot abide by the rules here....be gone.
 
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total accumulated debt when coming into office, most filibusters in history, constant threats of government shutdown hurting the economy, 25 TEArepubs causing a downgrade in August 2011, causing borrowing rates to increase--Obama is actually protecting future Repub POTUSs from this treasonous blackmail
Total accumulated debt handed to Obama was 10.6 trillion dollars. Total accumulated debt handed to Bush was 5.7 trillion dollars. That debt today is 17 trillion dollars. Obama isn't responsible for any interest on the 10.6 trillion dollars in debt but he is responsible for the interest on the 6.4 trillion dollars generated under his term. I would have thought that you would have learned that in school or haven't you got to that class yet?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Debt isn't a problem in your world, neither is high unemployment, low economic growth, and massive dependence on the govt. What exactly are the issues that concern you? Maybe when you get your first job you will realize that it isn't an expense to the govt. to keep more of what you earn regardless of what you income is?

No economist agrees with you, but since your brain is on Obamaphobia, you can't even read this line.

Debt is a longterm problem, not a shortterm problem. The shortterm problems were a result of Bush's failed conservative policies, as most economists have been at pains to show.

Meanwhile, your "solution" is more tax cuts for Paris Hilton and deregulation, right? Come up, stand up proudly from your freakish conservative agenda of failure.
 
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Sorry - not liberal economics so the concept probably went over your head. Canadian economics says that spending more than you take in increases debt - try living your own life the way your government does and see how far you get.
Ah, so less revenue can increase debt!

The transformation miraculously occurs again!

That is quite different than arguing having less revenue does not increase debt:
"allowing people to keep more of their hard earned wages rather than have it wasted by government, is hardly a contributor to debt."

Less revenue is less revenue.....not matter how you try to propagandize it.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

1. Please list the total cost of the debt Obama inherited, and the interest rate of the debt.
2. Please list the total cost of the Afghanistan war, and who was President when it began.
3. Please list the total cost of the Iraq war, and who was President when it began.
4. Please list the GDP by year since Bush II took office.
5. Please list unemployment since Bush II took office.

If you list those things, we can together as a forum determine which President's are to blame for the present debt and the economy in general.

How many times do I have to post this link?

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Copy it down and keep it for future reference.

You want debt service by year, here you go, look up the budgets by year.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

The cost of the wars are in each yearly budget and deficit so what do any of that have to do with Obama's budgets? The Iraq War was ended by the Bush status of Forces Agreement in October 2008.

You want GDP by year,

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

You want the unemployment and employment numbers by year, go here

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Want me to post the charts for you? Hopefully someone here will actually do some research and learn something.
 
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total accumulated debt when coming into office, most filibusters in history, constant threats of government shutdown hurting the economy, 25 TEArepubs causing a downgrade in August 2011, causing borrowing rates to increase--Obama is actually protecting future Repub POTUSs from this treasonous blackmail

Please site the Congressional record to prove your point and then tell me what economic policy Obama wanted that he didn't get? Stop spouting rhetoric and post some facts for a change. A govt. shutdown doesn't under the economy, it hurts people like you looking for a handout. You buy what you are told and never do any research to verify the rhetoric. By the way notice any inconsistencies here?

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Re: Most would blame Republicans

No economist agrees with you, but since your brain is on Obamaphobia, you can't even read this line.

Debt is a longterm problem, not a shortterm problem. The shortterm problems were a result of Bush's failed conservative policies, as most economists have been at pains to show.

Meanwhile, your "solution" is more tax cuts for Paris Hilton and deregulation, right? Come up, stand up proudly from your freakish conservative agenda of failure.

So what economist do you know that pays for your personal expenses?

Debt is a long term problem that continues to grow every year and will as long as there are yearly budget deficits.

My solution is to cut the size of govt. so people like you have to go back to work and pay taxes
 
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So what economist do you know that pays for your personal expenses?

Debt is a long term problem that continues to grow every year and will as long as there are yearly budgets.

My solution is to cut the size of govt. so people like you have to go back to work and pay taxes

Hey kids, look, personal attacks and pretending that the biggest economy in the world is just like a household with a mortgage.

And that's why nobody with any education or grasp of reality takes conservatives seriously anymore, if they were ever stupid enough to do so.

NEXT TEAPARTY MEME!
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Hey kids, look, personal attacks and pretending that the biggest economy in the world is just like a household with a mortgage.

And that's why nobody with any education or grasp of reality takes conservatives seriously anymore, if they were ever stupid enough to do so.

NEXT TEAPARTY MEME!

Look, Kids, another liberal easily confused by U.S. Economics and actual data.

Tell me which Obama should we believe

2006

Raising America's debt ceiling is a sign of leadership failure

2011

Not raising the debt ceiling would be absurd and irresponsible.

No question about it, you will never let facts get in the way of your personal opinion and love for the entitlement state.
 
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A govt. shutdown doesn't under (sic) the economy

Debtceilingchart2.jpg
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Look, Kids, another liberal easily confused by U.S. Economics and actual data.

Tell me which Obama should we believe

2006



2011



No question about it, you will never let facts get in the way of your personal opinion and love for the entitlement state.

The funny thing is, you think you've made an argument.

Meanwhile, debt is only a longterm problem, which growth will solve. Cutting government is just a conservative fetish, unrelated to any economic reality. But that won't stop you from perseverating about it.

But I'm all for cutting the military to the bone -- it's virtually deadweight on the economy. I'm glad you're with me on that. Shall we cut this unproductive expenditure by 3/4ths. How's that?
 
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Hey, those are awesome, isn't the Obama employment record great?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146397 146157 146108 146130 145929 145738 145530 145196 145059 144792 144078 143328
2009 142187 141660 140754 140654 140294 140003 139891 139458 138775 138401 138607 137968
2010 138500 138665 138836 139306 139340 139137 139139 139338 139344 139072 138937 139220
2011 139330 139551 139764 139628 139808 139385 139450 139754 140107 140297 140614 140790
2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170

144 million working Americans today, a decline vs. last month on a labor force that isn't keeping up with population growth. Says a lot about discouraged and under employed people. Guess those part time jobs are excellent for Obama supporters who really show their compassion.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The funny thing is, you think you've made an argument.

Meanwhile, debt is only a longterm problem, which growth will solve. Cutting government is just a conservative fetish, unrelated to any economic reality. But that won't stop you from perseverating about it.

But I'm all for cutting the military to the bone -- it's virtually deadweight on the economy. I'm glad you're with me on that. Shall we cut this unproductive expenditure by 3/4ths. How's that?

Of course you are until a family member gets killed because the American govt. didn't do its Constitutional duties which is to protect the people of this country. Interesting how little you know about the budget. If the entire military budget was cut completely Obama still would have had huge deficits, higher than any Bush had. What you don't seem to understand is that Obama proposed a 3.77 trillion dollar budget and expects the deficit to drop because he wants to raise the taxes 80 billion dollars a year on those evil rich people. You see, liberalism is a joke and being a progressive is even worse.
 
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None of your stated accusations are true. You are now slinging insults and you need to be careful with that type of speech.

What kind of speech? The truth?

I often find liberals offended by the truth. Having been surrounded by comfortable lies most of their lives, the truth sometimes has a jarring effect.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Of course you are until a family member gets killed because the American govt. didn't do its Constitutional duties which is to protect the people of this country. Interesting how little you know about the budget. If the entire military budget was cut completely Obama still would have had huge deficits, higher than any Bush had. What you don't seem to understand is that Obama proposed a 3.77 trillion dollar budget and expects the deficit to drop because he wants to raise the taxes 80 billion dollars a year on those evil rich people. You see, liberalism is a joke and being a progressive is even worse.

So you're not for cutting Big Gummit after all!

I thought not!

Thanks for proving once again the dishonesty of conservatism (and the paranoia that feeds it)
 
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