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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Obama has delayed huge portions of the bill already, why not the rest?

It would even be legal with what the GOP is proposing. It would be made into law. Unlike what Obama did in not following the law he pushed for.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

That may be true, and of course the same can be said about the United States and how it once was.




We'll all just have to wait and see how things turn out, eh?

A lot of things can happen or not happen in thirty years.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

This is the reality of the Democrats stance:

"Give us everything we want and if not we will destroy everything - and blame it the Republicans."

Republicans are not refusing to fund government. It is the Democrats refusing to fund any of government unless they get 100% of what the want.

ACA already passed five years ago. This has already been done. I think it is really fair to say. Republicans dont want this and now they are holding a gun to their head threatening suicide unless they get what they want. I say pull the trigger!
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

ACA already passed five years ago. This has already been done. I think it is really fair to say. Republicans dont want this and now they are holding a gun to their head threatening suicide unless they get what they want. I say pull the trigger!
Where is the ACA in the budget? Oh yeah. We don't have a budget. That's why continuing resolutions are required ad nauseam. The democrats designed this all or nothing approach, and now they're complaining because they're victims of their own device. Here's an idea. Go back to the budget and appropriations procedure that the government was designed to use, and maybe some negotiation would be possible. That would necessarily require a budget - which is something the democrats are either too stupid to produce or too dishonest to employ.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

ACA already passed five years ago. This has already been done. I think it is really fair to say. Republicans dont want this and now they are holding a gun to their head threatening suicide unless they get what they want. I say pull the trigger!

Nonsense. It may have been passed then but the majority of it still hasn't yet taken force. Like time release poison.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I'm not even going to quote a specific post, because there's been so many that say the same thing.

"Democrats will be responsible for a gov't shutdown, they refuse to pass the budget republicans sent them."

when someone gives you an ultimatum, who is responsible for the outcome? the person choosing, or the person who designed the choices?

Because, honestly, thats exactly what republicans have given democrats, an ultimatum. Give up your signature bill, or we shut down the gov't.

Now that theres more light being shined on the situation, they've changed their ultimatum to "Delay your signature bill so we can fight it for another year, or we shut down the government", and that's basically the same as the first, just stretched out over a year and with a less clear outcome. I'd be more willing to go for a delay if republicans hadn't proven, repeatedly, that when it comes to the ACA they're uncompromisingly seeking its demise. Everyone knows what their endgame is: no ACA (or healthcare reform of any type). Delay is to give them more time to kill it, not reform it or improve it.

Its a page from the republicans own playbook

"We know that the ACA is just a stepping stone towards UHC (or single payer if you follow that conspiracy theory instead), so why would we agree to it?"
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame


Well I guess it is how you read the poll. Not everyone sees it like you do.

The con is on, folks.

Although a new CNN poll shows that across-the-board everyone will be blamed and damaged should the government shut down tomorrow, that is not the spin coming today from CNN or the rest of the left-wing media. Desperate to replay the '90s, even though today's poll says differently, the media are working together to terrify the GOP into caving when what we really have is a situation wherein Obama is going to be much more damaged than a Republican Party that doesn't have much to lose.

According to the CNN poll, 58% believe congressional Democrats are acting like spoiled children, compared to 69% for the GOP. In other words, the public see both sides as losers, the GOP only a little more so.

In the event of a government shutdown, 46% would blame congressional Republicans and 36% would blame Obama. However, 13% would blame both -- which puts Obama only a point under 50%.

The media are attempting to spin these numbers in a way that makes it look as though the GOP will "bear the brunt of shutdown blame," but once you are at or over the 50% mark, it is all semantics. No one looks good and both sides are going to get hurt.

There is no question that the media's mission is to shape a reality that declares Obama a winner and the GOP a loser in the event of a shutdown. But both are looking like losers, which means a draw.

Moreover, and this is the most important point, the president is going to be the real loser in a draw. How much lower can congressional approval ratings go? Not much. That institution is already in the toilet. Obama's approval now sits in the low forties. A shutdown could drop him into the thirties, where a president becomes the lamest of ducks.

Obama has much, much more to lose in the event of a shutdown. Another thing the media should keep in mind is that there are two other issues that distinguish what his happening today from the 1990s: First, this shutdown is over ObamaCare, something substantial the American people can easily understand. ObamaCare is a BIG issue and increasingly unpopular.

Finally, the media landscape is completely different today. Clinton enjoyed a monopoly of media that sided with him. There was no Fox News and no New Media.


CNN Poll Shows Media/Obama Losing Shutdown Battle
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

We'll all just have to wait and see how things turn out, eh?

A lot of things can happen or not happen in thirty years.

We can see the obvious trend, just as many foresaw in Detroit.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The peopel are the bottom. Power should be concentrated with the people, when the congress only having control over few things. With such a small govt, no institutional knowledge is required. Why is 8 years enough for one branch of govt, but not for another?

The people do control government with the right to vote and install the government into the positions they hold.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

We can see the obvious trend, just as many foresaw in Detroit.

Just look at History

Top down authoritarian Government mandates like this always fail and cause misery

Obamacare is about control. Not HC.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Just look at History

Top down authoritarian Government mandates like this always fail and cause misery

Obamacare is about control. Not HC.

Like...the mandate that everyone is required to get a education? Big fat failure that one.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.

Elections have consequences and the idea that a minority party can blackmail their agenda into law is as un-American as it gets. They will rightly be judged as traitors.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Like...the mandate that everyone is required to get a education? Big fat failure that one.

I'm sorry does the Government force you to pay for college? Secondly look at our Public Education System. It's an absolute disaster. Indoctrination schools filled with illiterate morons.

You can't defend this crap so you toss out desperate strawmen while at the same time underminding your own argument. Hilarity ensues :lol:

Obamcare is about control. Not HC. Anyone who actually believes obamacare is about HC is a moron. The law is ALL about that database.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The people do control government with the right to vote and install the government into the positions they hold.

Thats a seperate issue. My comments were in regards to the need for institutional knowledge. If the govt operated within the limits of the constitution, it would much easier for 500 people to manage it.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I'm sorry does the Government force you to pay for college? Secondly look at our Public Education System. It's an absolute disaster. Indoctrination schools filled with illiterate morons.

You can't defend this crap so you toss out desperate strawmen while at the same time underminding your own argument. Hilarity ensues :lol:

Obamcare is about control. Not HC. Anyone who actually believes obamacare is about HC is a moron. The law is ALL about that database.

if public education is such a mess, then should we be trying to find ways to fix it?

not everyone can afford private education.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Elections have consequences and the idea that a minority party can blackmail their agenda into law is as un-American as it gets. They will rightly be judged as traitors.

Yea put them in concentration camps like FDR confined the Japanese right?

His hand picked SCOTUS even upheld that
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

if public education is such a mess, then should we be trying to find ways to fix it?

not everyone can afford private education.

Obama is blocking vouchers

Talk to him

Under Obamacare, Obama is making you engage in commerce. That has nothing to do with education. Both of you are tossing out strawmen because you can't defend the Authoritarian nature of the crap you call a HC bill
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I'm sorry does the Government force you to pay for college? Secondly look at our Public Education System. It's an absolute disaster. Indoctrination schools filled with illiterate morons. .

Did Literacy increase or decrease after the US mandated that every child attend school? Our public education system is not a failure.

You can't defend this crap so you toss out desperate strawmen while at the same time underminding your own argument. Hilarity ensues
Wait...is there a mandate that every child goes to school or their parents will get a visit from protective services and a police officer? If that's not a mandate I don't know what is. Not sure how that's a strawman...you might wanna check out the definition.

I'm not sure how I've undermined my argument. Please point out which metric tied to education was better before every citizen was mandated to attend elementary/middle/high school.

Obamcare is about control. Not HC. Anyone who actually believes obamacare is about HC is a moron. The law is ALL about that database.
I forgot...you're the guy that can divine everyone's thoughts.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

If that is true then it says a lot for the insight and integrity of the American people.

People are already feeling the brunt of it. I know I personally have experienced a huge increase in my premiums, prescriptions, co-op payments. When you have major groups wanting exempted from this monster, there are reasons why. Even the delusional idiots on the left that were convinced Obamacare meant free healthcare have had a rude awakening. Speaking of which the Weekly Standard has caught the Obamacare website removing all the multiple uses of the word "free" from their website.

Obamacare Website Quietly Deletes Reference to 'Free Health Care' | The Weekly Standard
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Did Literacy increase or decrease after the US mandated that every child attend school? Our public education system is not a failure.

Look at you trying to derail this thread. Hahahaha

Test scores are going down. Look at the condition of inner city schools. It's an absolute disaster. From testing scandals to sex scandals, teachers these days focus more on their popularity than actually teaching students useful critical thinking skills. Have you seen the Common Core curriculum? It's Alinsky Indoctrination 101.


Wait...is there a mandate that every child goes to school or their parents will get a visit from protective services and a police officer? If that's not a mandate I don't know what is. Not sure how that's a strawman...you might wanna check out the definition.

You're tap dancing around like a clown. Some serious REACHING here :lol:

I wish I could be there when you get dumped on Obama's Tijuana DR exchange, just like poor kids are stuck in ghetto schools dodging bullets with no way out thanks to obama and the Democrats.

I'm not sure how I've undermined my argument. Please point out which metric tied to education was better before every citizen was mandated to attend elementary/middle/high school.

You don't have an argument. You're just a shill pimping the latest Obama talking points.


I forgot...you're the guy that can divine everyone's thoughts.

Yea let's trust Obama the serial liar sociopath! He CARES about us

I /point :lol: at fools that actually believe that fairytale

Do you believe that fairytale?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Look at you trying to derail this thread. Hahahaha

Test scores are going down. Look at the condition of inner city schools. It's an absolute disaster. From testing scandals to sex scandals, teachers these days focus more on their popularity than actually teaching students useful critical thinking skills. Have you seen the Common Core curriculum? It's Alinsky Indoctrination 101.

I'm not derailing anything. You're the one that said every mandate has been a failure. I'm still waiting for any metrics that prove the US was better off education wise before a mandate was issued forcing every child to attend schools.

You're tap dancing around like a clown. Some serious REACHING here

I wish I could be there when you get dumped on Obama's Tijuana DR exchange, just like poor kids are stuck in ghetto schools dodging bullets with no way out thanks to obama and the Democrats.
Once again...so the mandate that kids need to get an education was a bad move. It's a totalitarian regime ruining our country with the socialist idea that all children getting an education serves the greater good.

ou don't have an argument. You're just a shill pimping the latest Obama talking points.
Whose doesn't have an argument here? The person that answered your question regarding "totalitarian mandates" or the person that seems to be talking about everything except the mandate that children are required to attend school?

Yea let's trust Obama the serial liar sociopath! He CARES about us

I /point at fools that actually believe that fairytale

Do you believe that fairytale?
The only people that seem to have a clear cut caricature of the President are you and other conservatives. You guys seem to be convinced that every liberal thinks Obama's the greatest thing on earth and believe that in reality he's the anti-christ.

Honestly you guys are just one trick pony...same message spouted by every conservative.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Look at you trying to derail this thread. Hahahaha

Test scores are going down. Look at the condition of inner city schools. It's an absolute disaster. From testing scandals to sex scandals, teachers these days focus more on their popularity than actually teaching students useful critical thinking skills. Have you seen the Common Core curriculum? It's Alinsky Indoctrination 101.




You're tap dancing around like a clown. Some serious REACHING here :lol:

I wish I could be there when you get dumped on Obama's Tijuana DR exchange, just like poor kids are stuck in ghetto schools dodging bullets with no way out thanks to obama and the Democrats.



You don't have an argument. You're just a shill pimping the latest Obama talking points.




Yea let's trust Obama the serial liar sociopath! He CARES about us

I /point :lol: at fools that actually believe that fairytale

Do you believe that fairytale?

I think you're lost, maybe I can help:

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