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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

clownboy said:
Congress has passed all sorts of laws that later it reconsidered. Otherwise slavery would still be legal and women still property of their husbands. The people hate this Obamacare crap, and they're going to hate it even more the longer it's allowed to continue. The ONLY ones who are for this nightmare are the ones who get free stuff, now there's a surprise.

Democrats didn't read this turd before passage, nor did they know what was in it. They wanted to pass a big signature bill for their signature president. The American people be damned.
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Once this is passed it is forever and the United States will never be the same. It seems most of the people have no real idea of what they are dealing with here, much like Pelosi's, “We have to pass the (health care) bill so you can find out what is in it”. The lesser informed of the electorate (and they are legion) just want it passed without really understanding the consequences. It's too complicated for them, it's too complicated for the politicians and it's too complicated for those who must carry it out. But let's pass it anyway and see what happens. It's a theory based act.

And don't organize to protest against it or the IRS will be on your ass before you can say 'Affordable Health Care Act'.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

CalGun said:
This poll confirms the influence of the main stream media on the public. The reality of it is the Republican's have passed legislation to keep the govt open and its the democrats who object. The only reason for the public to blame the Republicans is due to vast left wing misinformation propaganda by the leftist media.
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Misinformation you say. How many times did the last 4 presidents raise the debt cieling with no problems 100% of the time. Now if Republicans were so sure they were on the right side of this there are many other ways to go about getting rid of ACA! However, the are willing to hold hostage almost 1,000,000 jobs, the full faith and credit of the country to get what they want??? How is that a Democrate problem? Republicans are at fualt here and everyone knows this outside of the Faux News zombies.
 
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I say the democrats should leave in the "compromises" the Republicans have offered, And attach mandatory, universal background checks for firearms, and an outright ban on assault rifles and high capacity magazines. Seeing as how the government is going to shut down anyways, a perfect waste of time such as this (as there is no possible way the republican can pass a bill with those provisions in it) could only help to exemplify the complete and utter ridiculousness of what the House Republicans have offered.
 
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The GOP needs to show this for what it is. Take a stand and say hell ya we're shutting her down. The US government isn't the tool of the democrat's corporate special interests and we'll not stand by and allow the democrats to give corporations special rights and privileges while individual citizens, REAL citizens take on additional expenses and be held to different standards.

The media is going to blame them regardless. Do the unexpected. Own it and set the narrative.

The message needs to be, yes, rather than burden the American people with an overreaching, over imposing, over extended, and over taxing government, we would rather shut the government down than allow the Democrats to continue to do harm to this great nation and the great American people.


When the return fire is the loud cacophony of laughs and cat calls of the pot and the kettle, that everyone knows that the GOP is the party of Big Biz, they only need to reply, "Not anymore apparently"...

Every GOPer, lock and step, united front, in every interview, on every occasion, at every instance, does this, holds to this narrative and I can guarantee that the Dems will lose BIG.

Have the patience to hold out a week keeping this narrative and the press will turn, the questions will rise, why isn't the President doing something? Why is his desire to impose on the individual additional financial hardships so great that he is allowing the US government to be the laughing stock of the entire world?

He'll be reviled throughout history...

Can his ego allow for that? Nope. He'll fold in the name of compromise. He'll fold saying the people have spoken. He'll fold, because quite honestly that is what democrats do, this little hiccup in history of role reversal will come to an end. Democrats have always been the spineless ones, it's about time the GOP started to remember that...
 
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Yeah because heaven forbid congress should come between you and your free stuff.
 
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Grant said:
Once this is passed it is forever and the United States will never be the same. It seems most of the people have no real idea of what they are dealing with here, much like Pelosi's, “We have to pass the (health care) bill so you can find out what is in it”. The lesser informed of the electorate (and they are legion) just want it passed without really understanding the consequences. It's too complicated for them, it's too complicated for the politicians and it's too complicated for those who must carry it out. But let's pass it anyway and see what happens. It's a theory based act.

And don't organize to protest against it or the IRS will be on your ass before you can say 'Affordable Health Care Act'.
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did you by any chance actually go to the healthcare.gov website to at least find out what the government is saying about the effects of the Affordable care act? or do you completely ignore any and all information that this administration supports?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

TheNextEra said:
The compromise the right is proposing is to get rid of Obamacare, that isn't a compromise for the Dems. The GOP is wanting the Dems to cut their signature bill. It would be the equivalent of the Dems going, you need to cut the military by 75%. It just isn't going to happen that way and that's why it is looked at the right not compromising.

If the GOP really wants to get rid of Obamacare, they are going to have to wait till 2014 and focus on winning the senate and keeping the house. Anything less than that and the GOP is going to get blamed.

If the GOP were willing to compromise, they would look outside of Obamacare and look for cuts on the Dems side of the house to attack. Attacking a primary bill the president and the Dems support isn't going to work.

If the GOP lets Obamacare go, let's the Dems take FULL ownership of it without GOP support at all, They will probably win the senate, keep the house, and get the presidency in 2016.
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Not going to happen.

The GOP will be mighty lucky if it even exists 30 years from now after massive demographic change in the USA hits it full force.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

ChezC3 said:
The GOP needs to show this for what it is. Take a stand and say hell ya we're shutting her down. The US government isn't the tool of the democrat's corporate special interests and we'll not stand by and allow the democrats to give corporations special rights and privileges while individual citizens, REAL citizens take on additional expenses and be held to different standards.
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You do realize that the only thing these waivers exempt these corporations / businesses from is providing plans with an unlimited maximum annual benefit. They still have to follow every other aspect of the ACA.... the plans they provide simply are allowed to have maximum annual benefits. Thats it. They aren't exempted from the ACA.... they are exempted from providing plans with unlimited annual benefits.

EDIT: Oh Yeah and only until 2014 after which no more waiver are allowed per the provisions in the ACA
 
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

cpwill said:
....and that. Is precisely why Democrats want one.
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It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

haymarket said:
I work in the Michigan legislature. We have term limits restricting Reps to no more than six years and Senators to no more than eight. The sad reality is that it takes a full two year term before most even figure out where things are and how the place runs and how to actually do their job. And those are the smart ones who learn fast. Some never quite get it. In the second term is where people begin to see how legislation is actually passed and how deals are made to get things done. In the third term, they begin to realize that there is much of State Government outside of their particular house that impacts things and they begin to learn how that works also.

Another sad reality is every single person in the legislature knows that they will be long gone and completely unaccountable for most of what they have passed since they will no longer be there when things hit the fan. A good example is two years ago when the legislature drastically reduced almost 2 billion dollars of business taxes and increased personal taxes. The hope was it would stimulate business growth and create jobs and revenues. Two years later it still has not happened and we constantly hear that "thing take time". None of these guys will be here when the accounts come due and the final report card is in to pay the price for a stupid ideological error or to take credit for a great bill - whichever it turns out to be.

What is the "bottom up"? Who is the bottom?

In other words, just when the actually begin to function as a full legislator - in the third term - they are rendered as useless by the term limit law denying the voters who they want to represent them.
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The peopel are the bottom. Power should be concentrated with the people, when the congress only having control over few things. With such a small govt, no institutional knowledge is required. Why is 8 years enough for one branch of govt, but not for another?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
did you by any chance actually go to the healthcare.gov website to at least find out what the government is saying about the effects of the Affordable care act? or do you completely ignore any and all information that this administration supports?
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Is this where you get your information???
 
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shrubnose said:
Not going to happen.

The GOP will be mighty lucky if it even exists 30 years from now after massive demographic change in the USA hits it full force.
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That may be true, and of course the same can be said about the United States and how it once was.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Threegoofs said:
And, apparently, the GOP is too stupid to avoid this obvious trap. Can't say they don't deserve what's coming to them..
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The GOP members in Government will do fine. They are set for life quite apart from politics, but what abut the American people?

If you put party above the interests of the American people then the results are inevitable, and the people once again get the government they deserve..
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

joko104 said:
The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.
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http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...est-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

rocket88 said:
It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
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I was thinking the same thing. Like add an assault weapons ban to it
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

TheNextEra said:
Now, wait a minute. Wasn't it just a few months ago conservatives were boasting that the Fox News channels have the HIGHEST ratings than all the other left networks combined? Sorry, but I think that is is complete BS that you blame the media.
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Nice try. Fox has more viewers than any other individual news network. It does not have a majority over all other networks. Not even close.

But, ok, rant on about FOX if that is how you get your kicks.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

rocket88 said:
It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
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Or better still, repeal Obamacare and move to Medicare for all.
 
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This is the reality of the Democrats stance:

"Give us everything we want and if not we will destroy everything - and blame it the Republicans."

Republicans are not refusing to fund government. It is the Democrats refusing to fund any of government unless they get 100% of what the want.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

joko104 said:
Republicans are not refusing to fund government. It is the Democrats refusing to fund any of government unless they get 100% of what the want.
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It's a very common political tactic to blame your opponent for the things you are currently doing.
 
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When you brought up debt ceiling I realized you can't even be on topic. This is about a continuing resolution for spending - nothing to do with the debt ceiling. So why are you full of misinformation? Can't you defend your position without it?


greengirl77 said:
Misinformation you say. How many times did the last 4 presidents raise the debt cieling with no problems 100% of the time. Now if Republicans were so sure they were on the right side of this there are many other ways to go about getting rid of ACA! However, the are willing to hold hostage almost 1,000,000 jobs, the full faith and credit of the country to get what they want??? How is that a Democrate problem? Republicans are at fualt here and everyone knows this outside of the Faux News zombies.
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

rocket88 said:
It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
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^ That is a GREAT idea! And I hope it passed that way too. Get rid of Obamacare. Raise inheritance taxes. Win-win!
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

joko104 said:
Nice try. Fox has more viewers than any other individual news network. It does not have a majority over all other networks. Not even close.

But, ok, rant on about FOX if that is how you get your kicks.
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I'm not ranting on Fox at all, I used it as a rebutal to blaming the media. Fox News DOES get the message out there, so it's pretty stupid to blame the (liberal) media on something as an excuse.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

rocket88 said:
It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
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And a Robin Hood tax. And eliminate the lowest income tax bracket. And institute a fee-and-dividend system. And pass the DISCLOSE Act. And allow importation of prescription medicines. And abolish the DEA and the War on Drugs. And close down every military base in every other country that doesn't want us there. And a few other things.

Would I trade all that for a year-long delay of the Affordable Care Act? In a heartbeat.
 
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