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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So, your bias is such an extreme sort that you hold the GOP blameless. Thanks for playing.
    Blameless for what? Name for me one item mentioned I that article that you can blame on the GOP? You continue to make wild accusations, get proven wrong, and then just move on to some other issue. Why do you continue to support someone who has generated the results of Obama?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Blameless for what? Name for me one item mentioned I that article that you can blame on the GOP? You continue to make wild accusations, get proven wrong, and then just move on to some other issue. Why do you continue to support someone who has generated the results of Obama?
    The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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    Pretty big heels 6 years later, don't you think?
    Uh, the recovery from the recession of 2001 was not complete until almost 2005

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.

    As Chuck Schumer said, its like someone coming to your house, taking your wife and kids hostage, and then demanding that they negotiate the price of the house.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, sorry, passing a bill doesn't create the shutdown, the Senate by rejecting it did. I think most people have no idea what is going on in D.C. and I see a lot of those same people here. Seems the low Obama JAR is being ignored
    Nothing to be sorry about. I agree, very few people actually pay attention to what is going on in Washington. From a Republican perspective, passing these mini spending bills and sending them to the senate is their way of saying they are passing the shutdown blame onto those in the senate. This portion which means a lot if not everything to the GOP means nothing to the Democrats and as you say, those in-between the two parties aren't paying attention to this. The Democrats seem to want on all encompassing CR with funding for the ACA are are willing to take their chances that most Americans will know nothing about these mini funding bills.

    But what the Democrats can't hid is their unwillingness to negotiate which I think is hurting them among indies. Reality means little to most voters of whatever political persuasion. It is the personal perspective they attain or obtain on what is happening at the time. That perspective may be totally wrong or right, but that is what they go by and rely on. I think the face of President Obama and Senator Reid repeating and repeating I will not negotiate is wearing thin regardless of what else is transpiring. Hence the rise from 17% to 25% the number of Americans who blame both parties. I expect that number to continue to rise.

    Who is right about this or who is wrong, really doesn't apply. I have my opinion and perspective, that word again and you have yours. We in fact could both be right, but we also think differently and in the end we both could be wrong. When the end comes to this shutdown, it will be decided on the perspective that the American people have obtained, not necessarily based on facts or what actually happened.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Uh, the recovery from the recession of 2001 was not complete until almost 2005
    9/11 Occurred at the end of fiscal year 2001 and the recession ended in November 2001, not sure what your definition of a recovery is but it was much quicker than you want to acknowledge.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The bill is now law. Holding the economy hostage over a law which is a done deal is not "negotiating", it's blackmail.
    It is "your" President holding the country hostage. He could have the Senate Pass funding bills for essential services and debt service but no, he can give exemptions to whoever he wants but not whoever the Republicans want? By the way if Obamacare is so good why are exemptions needed at all?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    As Chuck Schumer said, its like someone coming to your house, taking your wife and kids hostage, and then demanding that they negotiate the price of the house.
    Liberal logic which of course is failed logic. The Senate and Obama shutdown the govt. because like all street thugs they didn't get their way.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is "your" President holding the country hostage. He could have the Senate Pass funding bills for essential services and debt service but no, he can give exemptions to whoever he wants but not whoever the Republicans want? By the way if Obamacare is so good why are exemptions needed at all?
    Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    9/11 Occurred at the end of fiscal year 2001 and the recession ended in November 2001, not sure what your definition of a recovery is but it was much quicker than you want to acknowledge.
    There you go not reading the graph again.

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