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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    The recovery at the same pace of a mild recession is no recovery at all and there in lies your problem. Obama was in the Congress that helped create the recession but this recession was worse than the 2001 recession and the recovery has been the slowest on record.

    The Worst Economic Recovery Since The Great Depression - Forbes

    Thanks for admitting your error but remember as I told you I can beat you up all day with numbers, not one of which you have found to be in error. That should send you a powerful message that the actual data and facts do not support your position on the issues.
    I disagree only in that there is plenty of blame to go around for both: the deep recession and the extremely slow recovery. Arguments could be made that the GOP failed to properly fund a large enough stimulus to trigger a strong recovery. Another could be made that the large debt hurt our recovery. I doubt either had anything to do with it. I blame over capacity in a global economy which drives down employment numbers and payscales.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The Great Recession was also the worst recession since the Great Depression according to the NBER.
    Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The "I won, You Lost" President has shown zero leadership skills and that is why the two parties cannot work together. The Republicans were shut out of healthcare reform negotiations, their ideas for a stimulus were ignored, and there is no negotiation on exemptions for healthcare so apparently negotiations to a Democrat mean giving in to whatever they want.
    Both parties have been acting like Children. To say the GOP has been an innocent victim here is naive at best.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.
    Uh, what do you think the 2007 recession did?

    It's actually a double dip off of the 2001 recession. That's why it went so deep/.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I disagree only in that there is plenty of blame to go around for both: the deep recession and the extremely slow recovery. Arguments could be made that the GOP failed to properly fund a large enough stimulus to trigger a strong recovery. Another could be made that the large debt hurt our recovery. I doubt either had anything to do with it. I blame over capacity in a global economy which drives down employment numbers and payscales.
    The GOP had nothing to do with the stimulus as the Congress was under total control of the Democrats. Obama got exactly what he wanted, any other speculation is just that opinion.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Keep on saying it, Pero! It's true!

    Greetings, Pero.
    howdy pol, you know there are times I just get fed up with the workings of D.C. and take a few days off. Today's politicians in Washington are far more worried about the fate and their political party than America's future.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? site where NBER made that statement. What liberals like you want to ignore is that the 81-82 recession was actually a double dip recession piggybacking on the 80 recession.
    you have the memory of a gnat

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Both parties have been acting like Children. To say the GOP has been an innocent victim here is naive at best.
    The GOP has offered funding bills for the essential parts of the govt. and the Democrats refuse to negotiate. Obama gave exemptions for backers and supporters but won't negotiate with
    the Republicans. Obamacare is a nightmare and maybe this will help you understand why the GOP is not willing to give in to Democrats?

    Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
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    Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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    Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

    Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

    President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

    Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

    Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums skyrocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

    Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

    Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

    But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Uh, what do you think the 2007 recession did?

    It's actually a double dip off of the 2001 recession. That's why it went so deep/.
    LOL, do you even know what a double dip recession is? there is no such thing as a double dip 6 years later. Unbelievable!!

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The GOP has offered funding bills for the essential parts of the govt. and the Democrats refuse to negotiate. Obama gave exemptions for backers and supporters but won't negotiate with
    the Republicans. Obamacare is a nightmare and maybe this will help you understand why the GOP is not willing to give in to Democrats?

    Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
    ================================================== =
    Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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    I see no reason for the Democrats to negotiate. The shutdown occured because of the GOP House tied defunding of the ACA to the CR. This was a stupid tactic that at the moment Boehner and company can't find a way out of it. The Republicans would have been better served IMO, to pass the CR without the rider of defunding the ACA. then the chances in November of 2014 after a full year of the ACA with all it worts probably would have delivered the senate to their control.

    IMO the republicans are engaging in this battle at the wrong time with the wrong strategy. With Boehner saying he wouldn't let the government default, why should the Democrats negotiate? All they have to do is wait until that time as they are banking on Boehner not being able to sleep at night if he did let the government default.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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