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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak00 View Post
    The only ones shutting the government are the Democrats. That is indisputable.
    Yes, the republicans are sending through bills that would open the government, the democrats refuse to approve them. So, it is the democrats that are shutting things down.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, the republicans are sending through bills that would open the government, the democrats refuse to approve them. So, it is the democrats that are shutting things down.
    Shhh, don't wake the Obamabots who don't understand that and unfortunately they believe what Obama tells them in spite of the reality that Obama has yet to tell the truth on any issue.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    What does 2007 have to do with it? Obama saw increased rev for every year he was in office, beginning in 2009.
    You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

    Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

    2012 2450.16B
    2008 2523.99B

    For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

    Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

    2012 2450.16B
    2008 2523.99B

    For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.
    But you forget, to a liberal all money is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from or what its intent for that revenue source it all goes into the same pot even though state and local dollars don't pay for anything in the Federal Govt. that is irrelevant to someone who wants to make Obama look good while making themselves look poorly. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

    You will noticed that liberals always post charts they don't understand and charts that distort reality then when challenged run and never retract their statements. They ignore responses that refute their posts only to come back a day or two later making the same wild accusations. What liberals don't seem to understand is that we have about 22 million Americans sitting on the sidelines being unemployed/under employed/discouraged that aren't paying much in Federal income taxes and this is over 4 years after the end of the recession.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

    Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

    2012 2450.16B
    2008 2523.99B

    For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.
    Denying reality? The chart is pretty clear.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    But you forget, to a liberal all money is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from or what its intent for that revenue source it all goes into the same pot even though state and local dollars don't pay for anything in the Federal Govt. that is irrelevant to someone who wants to make Obama look good while making themselves look poorly. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

    You will noticed that liberals always post charts they don't understand and charts that distort reality then when challenged run and never retract their statements. They ignore responses that refute their posts only to come back a day or two later making the same wild accusations. What liberals don't seem to understand is that we have about 22 million Americans sitting on the sidelines being unemployed/under employed/discouraged that aren't paying much in Federal income taxes and this is over 4 years after the end of the recession.
    The recession is not yet over. Revenue has not reached 2006 levels yet. The economy is still in recovery.

    That's why the GOP playing games with the budget is such a problem.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Denying reality? The chart is pretty clear.
    Simple question: Does your chart include local and state taxes?

    The correct answer is yes, because anyone can visit the website you quoted, which means your chart title of "Total FEDERAL Revenue" is not true. State and Local revenue streams, including property taxes, have absolutely nothing to do with federal revenue.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Simple question: Does your chart include local and state taxes?

    The correct answer is yes, because anyone can visit the website you quoted, which means your chart title of "Total FEDERAL Revenue" is not true. State and Local revenue streams, including property taxes, have absolutely nothing to do with federal revenue.
    Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?
    And state and local revenue have absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about federal revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity
    The recession is not yet over. Revenue has not reached 2006 levels yet. The economy is still in recovery.
    The recession is over, it ended quite a long time ago. Federal revenue is above 2006 levels. Again, including local and state taxes, especially property taxes which would be depressed due to normalized housing values, is a ridiculous measure.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And state and local revenue have absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about federal revenue.
    I never limited my discussion to federal revenue.



    The recession is over, it ended quite a long time ago. Federal revenue is above 2006 levels. Again, including local and state taxes, especially property taxes which would be depressed due to normalized housing values, is a ridiculous measure.
    Uh, no. The recession is not yet over.

    Note how we have not yet reached the baseline/.

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