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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    ACA already passed five years ago. This has already been done. I think it is really fair to say. Republicans dont want this and now they are holding a gun to their head threatening suicide unless they get what they want. I say pull the trigger!
    Nonsense. It may have been passed then but the majority of it still hasn't yet taken force. Like time release poison.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    I'm not even going to quote a specific post, because there's been so many that say the same thing.

    "Democrats will be responsible for a gov't shutdown, they refuse to pass the budget republicans sent them."

    when someone gives you an ultimatum, who is responsible for the outcome? the person choosing, or the person who designed the choices?

    Because, honestly, thats exactly what republicans have given democrats, an ultimatum. Give up your signature bill, or we shut down the gov't.

    Now that theres more light being shined on the situation, they've changed their ultimatum to "Delay your signature bill so we can fight it for another year, or we shut down the government", and that's basically the same as the first, just stretched out over a year and with a less clear outcome. I'd be more willing to go for a delay if republicans hadn't proven, repeatedly, that when it comes to the ACA they're uncompromisingly seeking its demise. Everyone knows what their endgame is: no ACA (or healthcare reform of any type). Delay is to give them more time to kill it, not reform it or improve it.

    Its a page from the republicans own playbook

    "We know that the ACA is just a stepping stone towards UHC (or single payer if you follow that conspiracy theory instead), so why would we agree to it?"
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Well I guess it is how you read the poll. Not everyone sees it like you do.

    The con is on, folks.

    Although a new CNN poll shows that across-the-board everyone will be blamed and damaged should the government shut down tomorrow, that is not the spin coming today from CNN or the rest of the left-wing media. Desperate to replay the '90s, even though today's poll says differently, the media are working together to terrify the GOP into caving when what we really have is a situation wherein Obama is going to be much more damaged than a Republican Party that doesn't have much to lose.

    According to the CNN poll, 58% believe congressional Democrats are acting like spoiled children, compared to 69% for the GOP. In other words, the public see both sides as losers, the GOP only a little more so.

    In the event of a government shutdown, 46% would blame congressional Republicans and 36% would blame Obama. However, 13% would blame both -- which puts Obama only a point under 50%.

    The media are attempting to spin these numbers in a way that makes it look as though the GOP will "bear the brunt of shutdown blame," but once you are at or over the 50% mark, it is all semantics. No one looks good and both sides are going to get hurt.

    There is no question that the media's mission is to shape a reality that declares Obama a winner and the GOP a loser in the event of a shutdown. But both are looking like losers, which means a draw.

    Moreover, and this is the most important point, the president is going to be the real loser in a draw. How much lower can congressional approval ratings go? Not much. That institution is already in the toilet. Obama's approval now sits in the low forties. A shutdown could drop him into the thirties, where a president becomes the lamest of ducks.

    Obama has much, much more to lose in the event of a shutdown. Another thing the media should keep in mind is that there are two other issues that distinguish what his happening today from the 1990s: First, this shutdown is over ObamaCare, something substantial the American people can easily understand. ObamaCare is a BIG issue and increasingly unpopular.

    Finally, the media landscape is completely different today. Clinton enjoyed a monopoly of media that sided with him. There was no Fox News and no New Media.


    CNN Poll Shows Media/Obama Losing Shutdown Battle

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We'll all just have to wait and see how things turn out, eh?

    A lot of things can happen or not happen in thirty years.
    We can see the obvious trend, just as many foresaw in Detroit.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well I guess it is how you read the poll. Not everyone sees it like you do.



    CNN Poll Shows Media/Obama Losing Shutdown Battle
    If that is true then it says a lot for the insight and integrity of the American people.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The peopel are the bottom. Power should be concentrated with the people, when the congress only having control over few things. With such a small govt, no institutional knowledge is required. Why is 8 years enough for one branch of govt, but not for another?
    The people do control government with the right to vote and install the government into the positions they hold.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We can see the obvious trend, just as many foresaw in Detroit.
    Just look at History

    Top down authoritarian Government mandates like this always fail and cause misery

    Obamacare is about control. Not HC.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Just look at History

    Top down authoritarian Government mandates like this always fail and cause misery

    Obamacare is about control. Not HC.
    Like...the mandate that everyone is required to get a education? Big fat failure that one.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.
    Elections have consequences and the idea that a minority party can blackmail their agenda into law is as un-American as it gets. They will rightly be judged as traitors.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Like...the mandate that everyone is required to get a education? Big fat failure that one.
    I'm sorry does the Government force you to pay for college? Secondly look at our Public Education System. It's an absolute disaster. Indoctrination schools filled with illiterate morons.

    You can't defend this crap so you toss out desperate strawmen while at the same time underminding your own argument. Hilarity ensues

    Obamcare is about control. Not HC. Anyone who actually believes obamacare is about HC is a moron. The law is ALL about that database.

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