I'm not even going to quote a specific post, because there's been so many that say the same thing.
"Democrats will be responsible for a gov't shutdown, they refuse to pass the budget republicans sent them."
when someone gives you an ultimatum, who is responsible for the outcome? the person choosing, or the person who designed the choices?
Because, honestly, thats exactly what republicans have given democrats, an ultimatum. Give up your signature bill, or we shut down the gov't.
Now that theres more light being shined on the situation, they've changed their ultimatum to "Delay your signature bill so we can fight it for another year, or we shut down the government", and that's basically the same as the first, just stretched out over a year and with a less clear outcome. I'd be more willing to go for a delay if republicans hadn't proven, repeatedly, that when it comes to the ACA they're uncompromisingly seeking its demise. Everyone knows what their endgame is: no ACA (or healthcare reform of any type). Delay is to give them more time to kill it, not reform it or improve it.
Its a page from the republicans own playbook
"We know that the ACA is just a stepping stone towards UHC (or single payer if you follow that conspiracy theory instead), so why would we agree to it?"
John Conner 2016Destroy the (Political) Machines
CNN Poll Shows Media/Obama Losing Shutdown BattleThe con is on, folks.
Although a new CNN poll shows that across-the-board everyone will be blamed and damaged should the government shut down tomorrow, that is not the spin coming today from CNN or the rest of the left-wing media. Desperate to replay the '90s, even though today's poll says differently, the media are working together to terrify the GOP into caving when what we really have is a situation wherein Obama is going to be much more damaged than a Republican Party that doesn't have much to lose.
According to the CNN poll, 58% believe congressional Democrats are acting like spoiled children, compared to 69% for the GOP. In other words, the public see both sides as losers, the GOP only a little more so.
In the event of a government shutdown, 46% would blame congressional Republicans and 36% would blame Obama. However, 13% would blame both -- which puts Obama only a point under 50%.
The media are attempting to spin these numbers in a way that makes it look as though the GOP will "bear the brunt of shutdown blame," but once you are at or over the 50% mark, it is all semantics. No one looks good and both sides are going to get hurt.
There is no question that the media's mission is to shape a reality that declares Obama a winner and the GOP a loser in the event of a shutdown. But both are looking like losers, which means a draw.
Moreover, and this is the most important point, the president is going to be the real loser in a draw. How much lower can congressional approval ratings go? Not much. That institution is already in the toilet. Obama's approval now sits in the low forties. A shutdown could drop him into the thirties, where a president becomes the lamest of ducks.
Obama has much, much more to lose in the event of a shutdown. Another thing the media should keep in mind is that there are two other issues that distinguish what his happening today from the 1990s: First, this shutdown is over ObamaCare, something substantial the American people can easily understand. ObamaCare is a BIG issue and increasingly unpopular.
Finally, the media landscape is completely different today. Clinton enjoyed a monopoly of media that sided with him. There was no Fox News and no New Media.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers
“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes
You can't defend this crap so you toss out desperate strawmen while at the same time underminding your own argument. Hilarity ensues
Obamcare is about control. Not HC. Anyone who actually believes obamacare is about HC is a moron. The law is ALL about that database.