Page 83 of 192 FirstFirst ... 3373818283848593133183 ... LastLast
Results 821 to 830 of 1913

Thread: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

  1. #821
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh. So you're now saying Medicare IS responsible for the debt.

    Interesting reversal

    So we can conclude that you're sponging off Medicare is directly responsible for the ballooning debt. If you're not helping the problem, you're part of the problem.
    It is now because it was stolen to pay for other programs. You don't seem to understand the concept. This coming from someone who doesn't understand that when you retire you are going to be forced into Medicare. Your contribution has been spent so where does the money come from to fund your Medicare?

  2. #822
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I seem to recall YOU were the one who just posted incomparable statements in back-to-back posts.

    This post is pure projection!
    Cannot help it if you reading comprehension is a problem. Did you and calamity go to the same school?

  3. #823
    Quantum sufficit

    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,617

    CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is now because it was stolen to pay for other programs. You don't seem to understand the concept. This coming from someone who doesn't understand that when you retire you are going to be forced into Medicare. Your contribution has been spent so where does the money come from to fund your Medicare?
    Is this some kind of story you tell yourself to make you feel better? Medicare has been funded this was since the 60s.

    Itrminds me of a guy at a buffet loading up on the lobster because ' it's just going to go to waste anyway'
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

  4. #824
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Is this some kind of story you tell yourself to make you feel better? Medicare has been funded this was since the 60s.

    Itrminds me of a guy at a buffet loading up on the lobster because ' it's just going to go to waste anyway'
    Funding is one thing, spending is another. You don't grasp the concept. Your Medicare contributions have been spent. Are you really a voter?

  5. #825
    Quantum sufficit

    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,617

    CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Funding is one thing, spending is another. You don't grasp the concept. Your Medicare contributions have been spent. Are you really a voter?
    Ok. So to summarize....
    You say Medicare has nothing to do with the US debt, except that its a major part of it.

    You say you're being forced to take Medicare, but you don't really want it and are upset that doctors are not taking your government funded health plan which is not really funded by government at all, but by your own contributions

    You also are being forced to personally sign SS checks and forced to walk to the bank and deposit those checks, while being deeply committed to the fact that you don't want younger people bring forced at gunpoint in the future to sign and deposit those checks in THEIR old age. .
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

  6. #826
    Heavy Hitter


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    63,697

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are incredibly naïve, gullible, or ignorant, maybe all three. Each of your posts gets absolutely dumber. You have no idea what you are talking about. Someone putting that same amount into a simple savings account would generate a lot more than that plus it would be your money when you retire or your family's if you should pass away. Someone with 361,000 in benefits at 1500 a month would take 12 years to get your money back and if you pass away during that period of time your spouse gets very little and none if you both collect SS.

    You give the people of Ohio a bad name. I grew up in Ohio, graduated from an Ohio University, and I am embarrassed to read your posts. My wife worked, put money into SS, collected for one year, passed away and all the remainder of her money "contributed" goes to someone else, not her family. Only in the liberal world is that fair. Now stop making an ass out of yourself and the people of Ohio
    Engineering Graduate from Illinois, went to HS in Michigan and now financially contribute taxes to the great state of Ohio.

    People can easily live 25 to 30 years after retirement,

    Contributions from 1970's were taken out at a rate of roughly 10% on max of $15,000 in income, roughly on average. That's $1500 per year like I said.

    Social Security and Medicare Tax Rates, Calendar Years 1937 - 2009 | Tax Foundation

    In the eighties it went up, quite a bit.
    80's: $40K @ 14%, meaning an average of roughly $5.5K per year
    90's: $65K @ 15%, average of $10K
    Y2K's: $100K @ 15%, avg $15K

    So, as you can clearly see, we who work today pay quite a bit to support those who retired years ago.

    And when Medicare benefits are added to the mix, it's safe to say your retirement is being subsidized by roughly 10-20 times the amount you ever put into the system.

  7. #827
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ok. So to summarize....
    You say Medicare has nothing to do with the US debt, except that its a major part of it.

    You say you're being forced to take Medicare, but you don't really want it and are upset that doctors are not taking your government funded health plan which is not really funded by government at all, but by your own contributions

    You also are being forced to personally sign SS checks and forced to walk to the bank and deposit those checks, while being deeply committed to the fact that you don't want younger people bring forced at gunpoint in the future to sign and deposit those checks in THEIR old age. .
    You show exactly what it means to be a liberal, trolling, baiting, and diverting. Medicare and SS were never supposed to be on budget, get it Yet? Medicare is now part of the debt because it is on budget, get it yet? Medicare is a self funding program thus on its own has nothing to do with the debt, get it yet?

    Medicare is part of the SS program, get it yet? Workers are forced to contribute to SS and Medicare, get it yet? Doctors aren't required to accept Medicare and many are dropping Medicare, get it yet? Workers do not have a choice, get it yet?

    SS is a forced contribution, get it yet? The money put into SS comes from the individual employee including you when you start working, get it yet? If you are lucky enough to survive to 65, you start getting that money back and if you are lucky you may get what you contributed back and yes may get more but if you die, where does your contribution go?

    I know being from Chicago it probably is hard for you to understand but if you took the same amount of money you and your employer contributed to SS, put it in an untouchable savings account, when you retire all that money is yours or if you die it belongs to the family. Amazing that you think people forced to contribute shouldn't get their money back. That is typical brainwashed liberalism for all you are doing is giving the govt. bureaucrats a huge slush fund to spend on what they want to spend, then borrow to pay you what you contributed when you retire.

    Please give me some example that you are smarter than you appear?

  8. #828
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Engineering Graduate from Illinois, went to HS in Michigan and now financially contribute taxes to the great state of Ohio.

    People can easily live 25 to 30 years after retirement,

    Contributions from 1970's were taken out at a rate of roughly 10% on max of $15,000 in income, roughly on average. That's $1500 per year like I said.

    Social Security and Medicare Tax Rates, Calendar Years 1937 - 2009 | Tax Foundation

    In the eighties it went up, quite a bit.
    80's: $40K @ 14%, meaning an average of roughly $5.5K per year
    90's: $65K @ 15%, average of $10K
    Y2K's: $100K @ 15%, avg $15K

    So, as you can clearly see, we who work today pay quite a bit to support those who retired years ago.

    And when Medicare benefits are added to the mix, it's safe to say your retirement is being subsidized by roughly 10-20 times the amount you ever put into the system.
    Yes, people can live 25-30 years after retirement just like they can die before or shortly after retirement. You have no idea how long you are going to live and if you are lucky enough yes you will get more than you contributed however not more than you would have contributed had you been allowed to invest the money in a simply untouchable money market account. This is a foreign concept to you. Where do you think my wife's SS contribution went when she passed away at age 63?

    It is very simply, get an investment calculator, put your contribution and your employer contribution into that calculator @4% a year over 35 years and see how much you have when you retire and who gets that money? You apparently have no concept of return on investment and are a typical brainwashed liberal. You are way too smart to be this naïve and gullible. Stop being a tool for big govt. liberals!

  9. #829
    Heavy Hitter


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    63,697

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, people can live 25-30 years after retirement just like they can die before or shortly after retirement. You have no idea how long you are going to live and if you are lucky enough yes you will get more than you contributed however not more than you would have contributed had you been allowed to invest the money in a simply untouchable money market account. This is a foreign concept to you. Where do you think my wife's SS contribution went when she passed away at age 63?

    It is very simply, get an investment calculator, put your contribution and your employer contribution into that calculator @4% a year over 35 years and see how much you have when you retire and who gets that money? You apparently have no concept of return on investment and are a typical brainwashed liberal. You are way too smart to be this naïve and gullible. Stop being a tool for big govt. liberals!
    Actually, odds are that those who earn the least--especially men of color---will die the soonest, many even before reaching retirement, while those who earn far beyond the maximum taxable amount will live well into their nineties.

  10. #830
    Sage
    Lord of Planar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Portlandia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,258

    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh. So you're now saying Medicare IS responsible for the debt.

    Interesting reversal

    So we can conclude that you're sponging off Medicare is directly responsible for the ballooning debt. If you're not helping the problem, you're part of the problem.
    OMG.

    I didn't read it like that.

    These programs are solvent right now. They collect more money than they pay out. The government spends it. It will not be too many years from now that they will need to start spending their money that the government already spent.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •