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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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the reality is the dem court broke years of precedent because it was ***** whipped by FDR's illegal threat to pack the court. By the time conservatives took over, they did what faint hearted conservatives do-respected the dishonest precedent that FDRs' pet monkeys had put into place.

You seem unable to address that fact

I also do not address the Judge Crater kidnapping by aliens. That kind of political lunacy is on par with your far right wing ravings about FDR and the Court.
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Rather interesting that once again you doubt the numbers I post and claim they are unfounded. try buying a hamburger in Japan and see what it costs.

Why are Retail Prices in Japan so High?: Evidence from German Export Prices

Is there anything that anyone can post that would convert you from a liberal? Obviously results don't matter

Japan has little inflation. That's not too hard to understand, is it? Deflation is more of an issue, and Japan is doing all it can to try to increase inflation right now.

But as usual, Conservative is refractory to reality, because as has been shown over and over, reality has a well known liberal bias.
 
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Japan has little inflation. That's not too hard to understand, is it? Deflation is more of an issue, and Japan is doing all it can to try to increase inflation right now.

But as usual, Conservative is refractory to reality, because as has been shown over and over, reality has a well known liberal bias.

And as a liberal you will do whatever you can to divert from the disastrous results of liberalism and Obama
 
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And as a liberal you will do whatever you can to divert from the disastrous results of liberalism and Obama

Apparently, 'whatever I can' involves shredding your pathetic fake facts. Pointing out you're wrong on a daily basis isn't really diversion....
 
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Apparently, 'whatever I can' involves shredding your pathetic fake facts. Pointing out you're wrong on a daily basis isn't really diversion....

LOL, fake facts? Prove that the facts are fake? doubt you even know what a fact is
 
Just about any economist will tell you the same. Just because you think you are smarter than them does not mean you are correct by any means. The only liars I know of are the ones that said austerity will bring jobs through "confidence", no matter how many times history and facts prove them wrong.

You are a little off. The only benefit in holding a national debt is in security against the country(ies) you owe it too. Those wishing you'd repay your debt are not likely to destroy any chance of you repaying it. However, the USA does not need that security, so it is of little value to us.
 
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A few jobs here and a few jobs there and one day you might actually have a functioning economy.

The jobs are temporary except for the cleanup crews needed after the inevitable leaks. The pipeline companies record on leaks is miserable. Not a month goes by without another one popping up. That's why the Canadians have refused to let a pipeline to the west coast be built. Why are they so much smarter than we are?

Tesoro pipeline leaks oil in North Dakota - San Antonio Express-News
 
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The jobs are temporary except for the cleanup crews needed after the inevitable leaks. The pipeline companies record on leaks is miserable. Not a month goes by without another one popping up. That's why the Canadians have refused to let a pipeline to the west coast be built. Why are they so much smarter than we are?

Tesoro pipeline leaks oil in North Dakota - San Antonio Express-News
Canadians care about their country, but some Republicans clearly don't care about the U.S.A. It's one thing to not care, but it's another thing to actively try to destroy the nation and that's what some Republicans want.
 
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the total job creation keystone would create is insignificant compared to the actual number of unemployed people.

LOL. This is completely absurd. Jobs grow jobs. To bad for America Obama doesn't understand that.
 
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The jobs are temporary except for the cleanup crews needed after the inevitable leaks. The pipeline companies record on leaks is miserable. Not a month goes by without another one popping up. That's why the Canadians have refused to let a pipeline to the west coast be built. Why are they so much smarter than we are?

Tesoro pipeline leaks oil in North Dakota - San Antonio Express-News

Silly. All construction jobs are temporary. Finish one move on to another.

And pipeline companies "record on leaks" is not "miserable".
 
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Canadians care about their country, but some Republicans clearly don't care about the U.S.A. It's one thing to not care, but it's another thing to actively try to destroy the nation and that's what some Republicans want.

Yep. Canada doesn't have any pipelines. They would never allow such a thing. Oh, wait a minute. I found an article that says they have had them since 1853. Still have them and are still building them. I guess that shoots your silly theory down unless Canadians don't care about their country. LOL.
 
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Canadians care about their country, but some Republicans clearly don't care about the U.S.A. It's one thing to not care, but it's another thing to actively try to destroy the nation and that's what some Republicans want.

No question about it and don't forget we want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air
 
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The jobs are temporary except for the cleanup crews needed after the inevitable leaks. The pipeline companies record on leaks is miserable. Not a month goes by without another one popping up. That's why the Canadians have refused to let a pipeline to the west coast be built. Why are they so much smarter than we are?

Tesoro pipeline leaks oil in North Dakota - San Antonio Express-News

Actually the BC Premier is for the pipeline but wants to be sure safety standards are met. An oil pipeline will also stretch from Alberta to the Canadian Maritime provinces.

Canadians are not afraid to either drill for oil or export it, which is largely why the economy is doing so well.
 
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Apparently, 'whatever I can' involves shredding your pathetic fake facts. Pointing out you're wrong on a daily basis isn't really diversion....

Still waiting for those fake facts?
 
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Actually the BC Premier is for the pipeline but wants to be sure safety standards are met.
See the part in red? That's the difference between Canadians and America's Republicans. The repubs don't give a damn about safety standards.
 
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Yep. Canada doesn't have any pipelines. They would never allow such a thing. Oh, wait a minute. I found an article that says they have had them since 1853. Still have them and are still building them. I guess that shoots your silly theory down unless Canadians don't care about their country. LOL.
What theory did I propose? I never said that Canadians don't have pipelines, I pointed out that Canadians care about the well being of their country but Republicans don't care about the well being of this country.

And f.y.i. Canadians are under no obligation to ensure our own safety standards, that's something we are supposed to handle. The Keystone pipeline would go through precious aquifers, and farmland. You think Canadians are gonna help with the cleanup? Stop chomping at the bit to sellout your own country for short term gain.
 
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See the part in red? That's the difference between Canadians and America's Republicans. The repubs don't give a damn about safety standards.

Actually oil spills are expensive to repair, product is lost, and the environment is harmed so its in everyone's interest to set safety standards. The BC Premier is clearly grandstanding for the Luddites who want nothing to do with oil and, like some places in the US, want to shut down all energy programs. North Dakota is booming, thanks to energy programs, and those who don't get in on it will have problems in the future for sure.

If you have any evidence that Republicans are against safety standards then let's hear it. It seems more evident that Barrack Obama is trying to destroy the American economy then he is in 'saving the environment', an area in which he has little knowledge or experience.
 
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Actually oil spills are expensive to repair, product is lost, and the environment is harmed so its in everyone's interest to set safety standards. The BC Premier is clearly grandstanding for the Luddites who want nothing to do with oil and, like some places in the US, want to shut down all energy programs. North Dakota is booming, thanks to energy programs, and those who don't get in on it will have problems in the future for sure.

If you have any evidence that Republicans are against safety standards then let's hear it. It seems more evident that Barrack Obama is trying to destroy the American economy then he is in 'saving the environment', an area in which he has little knowledge or experience.

The problem is Republicans in Congress don't want to pay to enforce the laws we have concerning pipeline safety.

Public confidence in pipeline safety has been tested by a spate of serious accidents. In 2010, a natural gas line explosion in San Bruno, Calif., set off a 95-minute inferno that killed eight people, destroyed 38 homes and damaged scores of others. That same year, a pipeline spilled more than 1 million gallons of Canadian tar sand crude into Michigan's Kalamazoo River. The ongoing clean-up of that one spill has already cost more than $1 billion. This year, a pipeline rupture deposited at least 210,000 gallons of heavy Canadian crude in the streets of Mayflower, Ark.
Wiese, as head of PHMSA's Office of Pipeline Safety, is the federal official most directly charged with preventing these types of accidents. But as his July 24 comments in New Orleans reflect, he is constrained by a pipeline safety budget that has remained flat at about $108 million for the past three years, despite the construction of thousands of miles of new pipeline. Most of that money comes from industry user fees and an oil spill liability trust fund. Taxpayers pay just $1 million a year toward the safety program.

The Obama administration has consistently asked for more money for pipeline safety, but those requests have fallen victim to Congress' inability to pass anything more than stopgap budgets for the past three years. The administration asked for a 60 percent increase for this year, but the continuing budget standoff and effects of sequestration instead have tightened the budget.

Two stark numbers illustrate the challenge the administration faces in ensuring pipeline safety while pressing ahead with new pipeline projects: 135 federal inspectors oversee 2.6 million miles of pipeline, which means each inspector is responsible for almost enough pipe to circle the Earth. PHMSA says it has the help of about 300 state inspectors, but not all states have inspection programs.

Pipeline Safety Chief Says Regulatory Process Is 'Kind of Dying' - Bloomberg
 
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The problem is Republicans in Congress don't want to pay to enforce the laws we have concerning pipeline safety.



Pipeline Safety Chief Says Regulatory Process Is 'Kind of Dying' - Bloomberg

They have 'several hundred compliance officers' and still it takes three years a new rule. That seems to be a large part of the problem.

It is in the industry's interest to not have oil spills. But sometimes there will be a spill and we have to accept that just as we have to accept airline crashes. train wrecks, and other accidents, despite always looking at ways to make them safer. But to close down an industry because there might be an accident, or to paint one side as villains and the other as heroes, just isn't realistic and never has been. The US is lagging behind in energy sources, even after spending billions on solar power, and should get back into the game.

I want to see the US do well.
 
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Yes. Leadership is strapping a bomb to your chest and demanding negotiations not to explode the bomb. The real brilliant leadership.

How you coming on finding those so called fake facts that you say I post? Until you back up your claims you have zero credibility. This is just another example of your lack of understanding. Guess we can count on another Obama supporter from Chicago not knowing what is going on even in his own city let alone own country.
 
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How you coming on finding those so called fake facts that you say I post? Until you back up your claims you have zero credibility. This is just another example of your lack of understanding. Guess we can count on another Obama supporter from Chicago not knowing what is going on even in his own city let alone own country.

Look up 'epistemic closure' and get back to me.

You're the poster boy for it.
 
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Look up 'epistemic closure' and get back to me.

You're the poster boy for it.

You made a wild ass claim that you now say is nothing more than part of my belief system as if numbers and data mean nothing. One would assume that when you make a claim that someone uses fake data that you would have at your finger tips the accurate data but obviously not because BLS.gov, BEA.gov, The U.S Treasury don't post fake data and that is where mine come from. It has nothing to do with a belief system but rather everything to do with actual verifiable results.

You are the one that has a belief system that trumps actual results. Nothing ever is going to change your mind because your ideology trumps reality. It is a shame that people like are the real poster boys for 'epistemic closure' and for some reason cannot see it.

Now if you can post anything to counter the data I post then I welcome seeing it.
 
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You made a wild ass claim that you now say is nothing more than part of my belief system as if numbers and data mean nothing. One would assume that when you make a claim that someone uses fake data that you would have at your finger tips the accurate data but obviously not because BLS.gov, BEA.gov, The U.S Treasury don't post fake data and that is where mine come from. It has nothing to do with a belief system but rather everything to do with actual verifiable results.

You are the one that has a belief system that trumps actual results. Nothing ever is going to change your mind because your ideology trumps reality. It is a shame that people like are the real poster boys for 'epistemic closure' and for some reason cannot see it.

Now if you can post anything to counter the data I post then I welcome seeing it.

Just look back at the thread.
 
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