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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I work in the Michigan legislature. We have term limits restricting Reps to no more than six years and Senators to no more than eight. The sad reality is that it takes a full two year term before most even figure out where things are and how the place runs and how to actually do their job. And those are the smart ones who learn fast. Some never quite get it. In the second term is where people begin to see how legislation is actually passed and how deals are made to get things done. In the third term, they begin to realize that there is much of State Government outside of their particular house that impacts things and they begin to learn how that works also.

    Another sad reality is every single person in the legislature knows that they will be long gone and completely unaccountable for most of what they have passed since they will no longer be there when things hit the fan. A good example is two years ago when the legislature drastically reduced almost 2 billion dollars of business taxes and increased personal taxes. The hope was it would stimulate business growth and create jobs and revenues. Two years later it still has not happened and we constantly hear that "thing take time". None of these guys will be here when the accounts come due and the final report card is in to pay the price for a stupid ideological error or to take credit for a great bill - whichever it turns out to be.

    What is the "bottom up"? Who is the bottom?

    In other words, just when the actually begin to function as a full legislator - in the third term - they are rendered as useless by the term limit law denying the voters who they want to represent them.
    The peopel are the bottom. Power should be concentrated with the people, when the congress only having control over few things. With such a small govt, no institutional knowledge is required. Why is 8 years enough for one branch of govt, but not for another?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    did you by any chance actually go to the healthcare.gov website to at least find out what the government is saying about the effects of the Affordable care act? or do you completely ignore any and all information that this administration supports?
    Is this where you get your information???

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Not going to happen.

    The GOP will be mighty lucky if it even exists 30 years from now after massive demographic change in the USA hits it full force.
    That may be true, and of course the same can be said about the United States and how it once was.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    And, apparently, the GOP is too stupid to avoid this obvious trap. Can't say they don't deserve what's coming to them..
    The GOP members in Government will do fine. They are set for life quite apart from politics, but what abut the American people?

    If you put party above the interests of the American people then the results are inevitable, and the people once again get the government they deserve..

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

    I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
    I was thinking the same thing. Like add an assault weapons ban to it

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Now, wait a minute. Wasn't it just a few months ago conservatives were boasting that the Fox News channels have the HIGHEST ratings than all the other left networks combined? Sorry, but I think that is is complete BS that you blame the media.
    Nice try. Fox has more viewers than any other individual news network. It does not have a majority over all other networks. Not even close.

    But, ok, rant on about FOX if that is how you get your kicks.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

    I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."
    Or better still, repeal Obamacare and move to Medicare for all.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    This is the reality of the Democrats stance:

    "Give us everything we want and if not we will destroy everything - and blame it the Republicans."

    Republicans are not refusing to fund government. It is the Democrats refusing to fund any of government unless they get 100% of what the want.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    Republicans are not refusing to fund government. It is the Democrats refusing to fund any of government unless they get 100% of what the want.
    It's a very common political tactic to blame your opponent for the things you are currently doing.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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