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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Here is where we can agree believe it or not. Reagan did a better job that any other Republican since Eisenhower. He wisely spent his way out his recession, signed the largest tax increase in history and even though he tripled our debt, at least he knew revenue was part of the equation. I long for someone on the Right with half the sense he had. All we have now are total morons who have sold out to their rich benefactors who manipulate them like puppets on a string. With all his faults, Reagan truly cared about this country and its people. That is what is missing from the current crop of Republicans.
    LOL, you actually believe Obama and today's Democrat Party care about this country? They care about their power and their ability to keep their power by destroying any threat to it. Reagan's so called largest tax increases in history were use tax increases. If you don't use the services you don't pay the taxes, apparently another subject you know little about. Income tax rates were cut three years in a row and income tax revenue grew by 60% something liberals said would never happen with tax cuts. Reagan's tax cuts stimulated the private sector and 17 million total jobs were created. Economic growth comes from creating incentive, not penalizing success.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually aside from the narrative, (which is false btw) the polls I have seen have it pretty even, more along the lines of 36% blame republicans, 32% blame Democrats, and 17% blame Obama himself....

    Personally, I think that republicans do indeed share in the blame, but you can't put it all on them when people want compromise, house republicans do exactly that, and demo's come back with 'NO, our way, or nothing, and we will lie and blame you for it....!'
    LOL Your idea of compromise is like a kidnapper who sends his victim back a piece at a time.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Centrist just means not committed to either the Right or Left.

    Like I said, his greatness is all in your head. It's something you convinced yourself to believe just like you think the recession of 81 was worse than the current recession.

    Here's the real Ronald Reagan:

    Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Demonizing a former deceased President is a sickness, seek help. Reagan has nothing to do with this thread topic and your comments only show your ignorance and exactly the kind of person you are. It isn't a pretty picture

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But where does that money come from when that bond is paid?
    From revenue/bond sales.

    Is it pinned to productivity?
    No, nor is it intended to be pinned to productivity. That doesn't even make sense.

    It is purely an inflationary pressure. It is purely an increase in currency.
    Nope! It is purely a cash flow into the private sector. It is not an increase in the money supply as the proceeds come directly from the current monetary stock.

    That doesn't mean that inflation happens when a bond is paid, but in means that the central bank is forced to push deflationary measures to counter it.
    You simply have no idea of what you speak.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let me guess...... next year another delay? And after that? Ray Charles can see this coming a mile away and he is both dead and blind.
    I agree with you Hay. It is better to kill it this year. Think of all of the money the taxpayers will save by not having to foot the bills for other peoples' health insurance.

    It also gets rid of an unconstitutional stinker.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I''ll say this one more time. The debt did not go up, only those figures did. When a ) buys T-bills with their excess revenue so they may earn interest, it is added to the debt figures you are so fond of. But it is not real debt is it? It is excess REVENUE. When those t bills are cashed in the debt goes down. Your hoaxers are using a table that counts excess revenue of the trust funds (and there are many) as debt and that's how they are fooling you.
    You not what you are talking about. .. The ss trust fund, which is what we're really talking about does not buy treasury issuances. Once you figure this you'll recognize the absurdity of your comments above.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Understanding the meaning of non-essential. Would there be an emergency crisis if such and such agency closed down for a few days? The passport office is a good example. But you can't let them stay closed forever unless you want open borders. Should West Point and Annapolis or at least their grounds keeping staff be sent home forever? Should we permanently close down the Washington Monument, The Lincoln Memorial and cancel all future grounds-keeping of Arlington National Cemetery?
    It is time to privatize them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak00 View Post
    I neither again... The ss trust fund, which is what we're really talking about does not buy treasury issuances. Once you figure this you'll recognize the absurdity of your comments above.
    It does not matter what instrument they buy, the debt accrues from it anyway. But debt does not come from revenue does it? If you are not a college graduate in economics you should stick to the CBO debt numbers. They do the math for you.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    I have to say, these low information Obama voters are incredibly stupid. Listening to some liberal radio this week, they are constantly calling in and asking why the republicans are not being arrested for extortion or terrorism or treason. As if the democrats are the only ones allowed to have an opinion on legislation. They truly believe that the State should crush opposing views, as long as it's not theirs.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    How can output outpace productivity when productivity is output per individual? The only way output can grow faster than productivity is if you also increase participation, which has no effect on inflation.
    Inflation occurs when nominal GDP growth is higher than productivity growth; it's not even up for debate.

    A less-wonkish explanation of the concept can be found here.

    The author is likely to be our next Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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