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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are absolutely correct, the Treasury Dept lies, the BLS lies, the BEA lies, the Congressional record lies, Tom Daschle, Senate Majority leader from 2001-2002 was obviously a Republican but only for those two years, and only liberals like you tell the truth.

    I find it interesting that you call what you post facts. The facts simply are something you will never understand. You see the chart you posted was factual but only half the story as you ignored how we had a surplus and why we still had a yearly deficit. Let me know when the light bulb goes off.

    I wonder if this will help you, probably not

    The Myth of the Clinton Surplus |
    I doubt it will convince any of these people who debate with these lies. Afterall, this fact has been pointed out since day of of the surplus claim, yet the lie continues.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How about a non-biased link like the factcheck one I gave? Your link is to a rightwing blog....that is written by an equally blind zealot.. The blind leading the blind is not a rebuttal, sorry.
    I see.

    So that makes the truth... a lie...

    What planet are you from?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You have been duped by your own partisanship. The reason the treasury shows debt going up is because it is money the govt. owes trust funds.
    Here's a post that explains your mistake. Don''t feel bad it is easy to believe what you MUST to keep your fantasy alive. It's a bitch to live in a dream world. Don't you at least find yourself wondering why you have to get all your info from right wing blogs?

    Read more: Surplus Myth exposed again (generations, economic, national debt, money) - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 2 - City-Data Forum
    So tell me the money that the Treasury owes the trust fund isn't an obligation in your world and thus not a debt? Try that in your personal finances taking money from your tax account, accrue the expense, and then not be able to pay the bill. Of course you cannot print money.

    For some reason you want to believe Bill Clinton had surplus yet the debt grew each year. How is that possible. Talk about being duped by an ideology. Let's assume that you are right, Bill Clinton had a surplus, do you think he signed budgets that were greater or less than he proposed? Do you think he shut down the govt. because the GOP Congress gave him more than he requested?

    Do you understand that the debt is created by deficits? If there is no deficit there is no debt. If there is a surplus the debt is reduced. Please show me where the debt was reduced to the U.S. Taxpayers? No matter how many times you post this bs it doesn't make it true nor is it relevant to the mess Obama has created. I know this is hard for you to accept because you have so much emotional capital invested in your failed ideology but Bill Clinton was a master politician. I guess the recession he left us with and of course 9/11 which happened had nothing to do with the increase in the debt. Those obviously were GW Bush's fault just like the economic numbers today are still Bush's fault? Do you or any other liberal accept any responsibility for personal or ideological failures?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]


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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    This chart claims a "surplus" of 236.2B. Once again, the CBO followed the instructions from the Dems to produce some number they wanted produced. But where's the money? They show some number's representing money but where did that money go if it was a "surplus"? As a taxpayer, I didn't get a rebate. As a taxpayer, my taxes were not reduced by my share of this phony "surplus". The federal debt kept right on increasing those years and that would be impossible if there was a "surplus".

    Once again, show me this "surplus". Where is that money?
    Yes. I want to see it too.

    Iguanaman...

    Maybe this will help:

    OMB: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2018 :

    Year Debt in $millions
    1977 706,398
    1978 776,602
    1979 829,467
    1980 909,041
    1981 994,828
    1982 1,137,315
    1983 1,371,660
    1984 1,564,586
    1985 1,817,423
    1986 2,120,501
    1987 2,345,956
    1988 2,601,104
    1989 2,867,800
    1990 3,206,290
    1991 3,598,178
    1992 4,001,787
    1993 4,351,044
    1994 4,643,307
    1995 4,920,586
    1996 5,181,465
    1997 5,369,206
    1998 5,478,189
    1999 5,605,523
    2000 5,628,700
    2001 5,769,881
    2002 6,198,401
    2003 6,760,014
    2004 7,354,657
    2005 7,905,300
    2006 8,451,350
    2007 8,950,744
    2008 9,986,082
    2009 11,875,851
    2010 13,528,807
    2011 14,764,222
    2012 16,050,921

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Because that was the fist one to pop up.

    Here's a current one...as if it matters.



    Notice how the recession was much deeper than the one in 2001, but seems to be following along the same change-rate path.
    Oh so now we are comparing the 07-09 recession to the 2001 recession? You win, no question about it, the 07-09 recession was worse but that isn't what I stated nor was I comparing. You happy now, you won, 07-09 recession worse than the 2001 recession. Of course there was no 9/11 in 07-09 to add to the debt but that is irrelevant in your world.

    You see, nothing you post proves that Obama has provided any leadership in this economy nor can you. There is a reason the recovery was better in 81-82 and that reason is leadership. Recessions are prolonged without leadership and this current President is an example of someone lacking leadership skills.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Yes. I want to see it too.

    Iguanaman...

    Maybe this will help:

    OMB: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2018 :

    Year Debt in $millions
    1977 706,398
    1978 776,602
    1979 829,467
    1980 909,041
    1981 994,828
    1982 1,137,315
    1983 1,371,660
    1984 1,564,586
    1985 1,817,423
    1986 2,120,501
    1987 2,345,956
    1988 2,601,104
    1989 2,867,800
    1990 3,206,290
    1991 3,598,178
    1992 4,001,787
    1993 4,351,044
    1994 4,643,307
    1995 4,920,586
    1996 5,181,465
    1997 5,369,206
    1998 5,478,189
    1999 5,605,523
    2000 5,628,700
    2001 5,769,881
    2002 6,198,401
    2003 6,760,014
    2004 7,354,657
    2005 7,905,300
    2006 8,451,350
    2007 8,950,744
    2008 9,986,082
    2009 11,875,851
    2010 13,528,807
    2011 14,764,222
    2012 16,050,921
    Now there you go again confusing liberal with data and facts, now wonder how the CBO can post data like this and claim there was a surplus? hmmm, fuzzy math?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    For some reason you want to believe Bill Clinton had surplus yet the debt grew each year. How is that possible.
    Expenditures < Revenue

    The level of the debt is of no consequence.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now there you go again confusing liberal with data and facts, now wonder how the CBO can post data like this and claim there was a surplus? hmmm, fuzzy math?
    It requires a most basic understanding of finance.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Because that was the fist one to pop up.

    Here's a current one...as if it matters.



    Notice how the recession was much deeper than the one in 2001, but seems to be following along the same change-rate path.
    That one is still almost a year old. We are now 70 months into this current recession. That '81 recession was only 26 months and half as deep.

    Why do you liberals thing such intellectual misinformation wins any points with anyone?

    Also, how do you blame the '81 recession on Reagan when:

    1) He had a democrat congress.

    2) The recession started very shortly after he took office. This was on Carter's last budget that this happened in.

    3) The '07 recession happened after democrats had budget control.

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