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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It was a split Congress from 2001-2003, Republican Controlled 2003-2006, and Democrat controlled 2007-2009. You will notice that liberals post the same distorted charts over and over again, run when challenged and then come back later with the same charts hoping apparently that eventually they become true. That is typical liberalism and since liberals believe what they are told by the elites it doesn't really matter what the facts show.
    True, however most democrats pretend like its republican presidents who spend money - that's not the case at all - it's our congress and it's the presidents job to sign that spending into law. However, the difference between republican presidents and democrat presidents is that republican presidents don't talk at congress and demand spending while democrat presidents do nothing but demand spending and the democrat minions in congress turn around and spend... Democrat presidents pretend they have 4 or 8 years to dictate and they pretend they're dictators for that period of time.

    Of course all the numbers prove exactly what I said.... Look at congressional spending under democrats vs republicans...

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush took a surplus and turned it into record deficits.
    Show me this "surplus".
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Show me this "surplus".
    iguanaman is typical of most liberals, throws out rhetoric and then runs when challenged only to come back later with the same rhetoric. Typical liberalism is to distort and divert but never recognize failure.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    iguanaman is typical of most liberals, throws out rhetoric and then runs when challenged only to come back later with the same rhetoric. Typical liberalism is to distort and divert but never recognize failure.
    And you are so typical of a desperate Righty. You cannot face the truth because it conflicts with you twisted world view. Like a religous zealot defending creation to a scientist,. all you have is "faith" which is another way of saying you only see what you want to see. Because of that the rest of this post will look blank to you. The rest of us will see the truth though.


    Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while
    The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Show me this "surplus".
    Come on now, you don't expect a liberal to back up their wild accusations and statements with facts? How dare anyone question what a liberal posts here. We all know they are the experts on every subject and anything official numbers that refute what they say is simply wrong and racists because we have Obama in the WH

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It was a split Congress from 2001-2003, Republican Controlled 2003-2006, and Democrat controlled 2007-2009. You will notice that liberals post the same distorted charts over and over again, run when challenged and then come back later with the same charts hoping apparently that eventually they become true. That is typical liberalism and since liberals believe what they are told by the elites it doesn't really matter what the facts show.
    LOL and Conservatives only believe lies. Because only with lies can they justify any of their positions. Facts have a liberal bias after all.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And you are so typical of a desperate Righty. You cannot face the truth because it conflicts with you twisted world view. Like a religous zealot defending creation to a scientist,. all you have is "faith" which is another way of saying you only see what you want to see. Because of that the rest of this post will look blank to you. The rest of us will see the truth though.




    The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton
    Let me ask you something and I really don't mean to be disrespectful but do you have a reading comprehension problem? The CBO is the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE so please look up exactly what they do. They do not establish what the taxpayers pay in debt service because they do nothing to establish the record of the debt. The Treasury Dept. does. Please show me the Clinton surplus in the Treasury Numbers? I don't know what it takes to get through to people like you. The debt is made up of two parts, Public Debt PLUS Intergovt. holdings. You can have a public debt surplus but an intergovt. holding deficit that wipes it all out. What you continue to do is report the public debt surplus which was money taken from intergovt. hodings(Medicare and SS) Intergovt. holdings are long term taxpayer obligations and a growing debt.

    The debt under Clinton rose every year so there was no total surplus. Let me know when the light bulb goes off if it ever does.

    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let me ask you something and I really don't mean to be disrespectful but do you have a reading comprehension problem? The CBO is the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE so please look up exactly what they do. They do not establish what the taxpayers pay in debt service because they do nothing to establish the record of the debt. The Treasury Dept. does. Please show me the Clinton surplus in the Treasury Numbers? I don't know what it takes to get through to people like you. The debt is made up of two parts, Public Debt PLUS Intergovt. holdings. You can have a public debt surplus but an intergovt. holding deficit that wipes it all out. What you continue to do is report the public debt surplus which was money taken from intergovt. hodings(Medicare and SS) Intergovt. holdings are long term taxpayer obligations and a growing debt.


    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012
    You need some new glasses. You missed this from my link....

    This is based on an annual document called the "Financial Report of the U.S. Government," which reports what the governments books would look like if kept on an accrual basis like those of most corporations, rather than the cash basis that the government has always used. The principal difference is that under accrual accounting the government would book immediately the costs of promises made to pay future benefits to government workers and Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. But even under accrual accounting, the annual reports showed surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000. So even if the government had been using that form of accounting the deficit would have been erased for those three years.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL and Conservatives only believe lies. Because only with lies can they justify any of their positions. Facts have a liberal bias after all.
    You are absolutely correct, the Treasury Dept lies, the BLS lies, the BEA lies, the Congressional record lies, Tom Daschle, Senate Majority leader from 2001-2002 was obviously a Republican but only for those two years, and only liberals like you tell the truth.

    I find it interesting that you call what you post facts. The facts simply are something you will never understand. You see the chart you posted was factual but only half the story as you ignored how we had a surplus and why we still had a yearly deficit. Let me know when the light bulb goes off.

    I wonder if this will help you, probably not

    The Myth of the Clinton Surplus |

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You need some new glasses. You missed this from my link....
    And you missed the point that the taxpayers pay debt service on a cash basis and debt service is the fourth largest budget item. What purpose does it serve to post a totally worthless chart like you just posted? When you give your money to the govt. it is owed back to you due to promises made, when it is replaced with an IOU it is an obligation thus a long term liability.

    Again, please read the article and see if that light bulb will go off. I keep wondering what it is about liberals like you who cannot accept reality. Further what exact purpose does it serve other than to divert from Obama to continue to debate the so called Clinton surplus which really didn't exist?

    The Myth of the Clinton Surplus |

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