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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

So do I have this right, GW Bush created 4.9 trillion dollars I debt over 8 years and that justifies Obama creating 6.4 trillion in five? Is that liberal logic? You keep buying what Obama and left leaning economist tell you. you do realize that left leaning economists have an agenda, don't you? How does that massive debt benefit you and your family? How would a European socialist economy benefit you and your state?
Notice how all the so called conservatives have stopped mentioning Obama Care? Apparently government debt poll-tests higher so that's what we have to talk about. Let me guess, new marching orders from Rush?

You shut the government down, over the ACA, and are now going to hold out on something completely different. I get it, you're grumpy that there's a D in the Whitehouse. But in the future, please avoid wrecking the country with your temper tantrums.
 
Notice how all the so called conservatives have stopped mentioning Obama Care? Apparently government debt poll-tests higher so that's what we have to talk about. Let me guess, new marching orders from Rush?

You shut the government down, over the ACA, and are now going to hold out on something completely different. I get it, you're grumpy that there's a D in the Whitehouse. But in the future, please avoid wrecking the country with your temper tantrums.

That D in the WH has generated 6.4 trillion added to the debt, has 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, 48 million on food stamps. We had a debt ceiling debate in 2011 and some idiot claimed that the debt wouldn't go up with a debt ceiling increase. Debt in September 2011 was 14.7 trillion dollars, today it is 16.7 trillion dollars. Even in the liberal world isn't that an increase of 2 trillion dollars? Where is your outrage?

Keep spouting the DNC talking points while blaming Republicans for the Obama failures.
 
That D in the WH has generated 6.4 trillion added to the debt, has 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, 48 million on food stamps. We had a debt ceiling debate in 2011 and some idiot claimed that the debt wouldn't go up with a debt ceiling increase. Debt in September 2011 was 14.7 trillion dollars, today it is 16.7 trillion dollars. Even in the liberal world isn't that an increase of 2 trillion dollars? Where is your outrage?

Keep spouting the DNC talking points while blaming Republicans for the Obama failures.

What about Obama care? You know.. the entire reason why the government is shut down?

The Senate passed a 1058 Billion dollar budget. In July, Boehner sat down with Harry Reid and said, make the budget 986 Billion and we won't attach anything to it. The Democrats said fine. Then the non-thinking, non-governing, unintelligent, thick-headed tea partiers said..um.. no. We're shutting the government down.

But you can't even think about that. You can't talk about the shutdown because it's a political looser, and as we know.. the only thing the tea party cares about is winning politically.. country be damned.

It's too bad the thinking part of the GOP has no spine.
 
What about Obama care? You know.. the entire reason why the government is shut down?

The Senate passed a 1058 Billion dollar budget. In July, Boehner sat down with Harry Reid and said, make the budget 986 Billion and we won't attach anything to it. The Democrats said fine. Then the non-thinking, non-governing, unintelligent, thick-headed tea partiers said..um.. no. We're shutting the government down.

But you can't even think about that. You can't talk about the shutdown because it's a political looser, and as we know.. the only thing the tea party cares about is winning politically.. country be damned.

It's too bad the thinking part of the GOP has no spine.

What about it, the GOP House is doing exactly what they were sent to DC to do and that is representing the people they serve.

The American people are losing, ACA rollout is a disaster, the websites are crashing, union and other Obama backers are getting exemptions and yet the best you can do is continue to support Obama and ACA?

The rollout of Obamacare and signup procedure is typical of the way out govt. works and yet because it is feel good rhetoric that trumps the disastrous rollout and failures of liberalism.
 
What about Obama care? You know.. the entire reason why the government is shut down?

The Senate passed a 1058 Billion dollar budget. In July, Boehner sat down with Harry Reid and said, make the budget 986 Billion and we won't attach anything to it. The Democrats said fine. Then the non-thinking, non-governing, unintelligent, thick-headed tea partiers said..um.. no. We're shutting the government down.

But you can't even think about that. You can't talk about the shutdown because it's a political looser, and as we know.. the only thing the tea party cares about is winning politically.. country be damned.

It's too bad the thinking part of the GOP has no spine.

In fact, poll after poll shows that the American people don't want Obamacare. The Tea Party, and the Republicans, are only reflecting the will of the American people. What's wrong with that?
 
In fact, poll after poll shows that the American people don't want Obamacare. The Tea Party, and the Republicans, are only reflecting the will of the American people. What's wrong with that?

There is nothing wrong with opposing ObamaCare. Just do it through the normal legislative process.
 
There is nothing wrong with opposing ObamaCare. Just do it through the normal legislative process.

Since the Republicans were shutout of the negotiations their only alternative is funding which is part of the legislative process.
 
Since the Republicans were shutout of the negotiations their only alternative is funding which is part of the legislative process.

The GOP lost the Whitehouse in 2008 and 2012. They also lost the Senate in 08, 10, and 12.

If you want to overturn the ACA, try winning elections first.
 
Since the Republicans were shutout of the negotiations their only alternative is funding which is part of the legislative process.

Reverse the situation. What would you say if Speaker Pelosi refused to fund the government unless President Romeny and Majority Leader McConnell agreed to implement Medicare for everyone?
 
The GOP lost the Whitehouse in 2008 and 2012. They also lost the Senate in 08, 10, and 12.

If you want to overturn the ACA, try winning elections first.

Keep trying to educate people like you but the House is the "Peoples' House" something you want to ignore. That is where the will of the people is registered and the will of the people gave that House to the Republicans in 2012-2014. Your support for Obamacare is appreciated by Obama.
 
Reverse the situation. What would you say if Speaker Pelosi refused to fund the government unless President Romeny and Majority Leader McConnell agreed to implement Medicare for everyone?

Medicare is an entitlement created long ago, ACA is a new piece of legislation that hasn't even officially gone into effect yet. Apples and Oranges.
 
Medicare is an entitlement created long ago, ACA is a new piece of legislation that hasn't even officially gone into effect yet. Apples and Oranges.

Medicare for ALL.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Here is something to chew on dealing with party affiliation and where it stands now during the shutdown.

With the shutdown in progress and new stats from Gallup on Party Affiliation, it is time to compare the in shutdown stats to those of last month, pre shutdown and to those of last November of 2012.
Party Affiliation
Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
Sep 2013 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent
Today 20% Republican 30% Democratic 47% Independent
Note the Republican 10 point drop from 2012 and 2 point drop from pre shutdown. The Democrats has dropped 5 point from 2012 and 1 point from pre shutdown.Then there is the 11 point rise in the independent column from last year and a 2 point rise from last month.

President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
Sep 2013 41% Approval 52% Disapproval
Today 44% Approval 50% Disapproval

A 10 point drop in approval from last year, but a 3 point raise from pre shutdown. Perhaps the Republicans are doing the president a good deed.

Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
Sep 2013 14% Approval 78% Disapproval
Today 11% Approval 82% Disapproval

The only question here is how low can you go.

The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election Day. Last month only 36% of independent view him favorably and number hasn’t changed. Still only 36% of independent view the president favorably today.

I think these numbers are saying quite a lot of Americans are fed up with both parties, but view the Democratic Party as the least worst party.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Here is something to chew on dealing with party affiliation and where it stands now during the shutdown.

With the shutdown in progress and new stats from Gallup on Party Affiliation, it is time to compare the in shutdown stats to those of last month, pre shutdown and to those of last November of 2012.
Party Affiliation
Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
Sep 2013 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent
Today 20% Republican 30% Democratic 47% Independent
Note the Republican 10 point drop from 2012 and 2 point drop from pre shutdown. The Democrats has dropped 5 point from 2012 and 1 point from pre shutdown.Then there is the 11 point rise in the independent column from last year and a 2 point rise from last month.

President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
Sep 2013 41% Approval 52% Disapproval
Today 44% Approval 50% Disapproval

A 10 point drop in approval from last year, but a 3 point raise from pre shutdown. Perhaps the Republicans are doing the president a good deed.

Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
Sep 2013 14% Approval 78% Disapproval
Today 11% Approval 82% Disapproval

The only question here is how low can you go.

The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election Day. Last month only 36% of independent view him favorably and number hasn’t changed. Still only 36% of independent view the president favorably today.

I think these numbers are saying quite a lot of Americans are fed up with both parties, but view the Democratic Party as the least worst party.

Just goes to show that we are dealing with a very poorly informed public, one easily influenced by the mainstream media. Until interest rates rise the 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't mean much to those who view Obama favorably. With the media the way it is and the very poorly informed public I don't know how any Republican ever wins a national race.

Sorry just too many Obamabots and too many dependent on the govt. today which doesn't bode well for my grandkids. Were it now for them I wouldn't give a damn about the debt or massive growth in the entitlements under Obama with more to come. The street thug incompetent from Chicago can still mesmerize the low information voter and people who aren't paying much in FIT while transforming this country into that new European socialist utopia liberals claim exists.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Sow's ear? What would a reasonable person think?

I am sure the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are extremely excited about the GDP numbers. What is absolutely amazing is that we had terrible economic numbers in 2008 and the govt. spending a trillion dollars and the best we can do is a 10% increase? Liberals have such low expectations.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Just goes to show that we are dealing with a very poorly informed public, one easily influenced by the mainstream media. Until interest rates rise the 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't mean much to those who view Obama favorably. With the media the way it is and the very poorly informed public I don't know how any Republican ever wins a national race.

Sorry just too many Obamabots and too many dependent on the govt. today which doesn't bode well for my grandkids. Were it now for them I wouldn't give a damn about the debt or massive growth in the entitlements under Obama with more to come. The street thug incompetent from Chicago can still mesmerize the low information voter and people who aren't paying much in FIT while transforming this country into that new European socialist utopia liberals claim exists.

Your rhetoric as usual is pathetic and useless. There was a poll that showed the majority of people in the U.S. are CONSERVATIVE. Did it ever cross your mind that people are sick and tired of the crap from BOTH parties or can you only regurgitate "Obamabot" rhetoric?

The simple matter is that while people may not like ACA, they also don't like the GOP strategy of shutting down the government for it. Maybe you and the other Duopolybots will eventually wake up and realize that while Dem plan A sucks, that doesn't automatically mean that GOP plan A is good.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Those 22 million folks aren't worrying about Repub talking points on GDP..
They are worried about making ends meet every day, something Repubs are oblivious to.
 
So do I have this right, GW Bush created 4.9 trillion dollars I debt over 8 years and that justifies Obama creating 6.4 trillion in five?


No. Because the debt was caused by the recession that happened in 08,09. Maybe you're too young to remember that.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Just goes to show that we are dealing with a very poorly informed public, one easily influenced by the mainstream media. Until interest rates rise the 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't mean much to those who view Obama favorably. With the media the way it is and the very poorly informed public I don't know how any Republican ever wins a national race.

Sorry just too many Obamabots and too many dependent on the govt. today which doesn't bode well for my grandkids. Were it now for them I wouldn't give a damn about the debt or massive growth in the entitlements under Obama with more to come. The street thug incompetent from Chicago can still mesmerize the low information voter and people who aren't paying much in FIT while transforming this country into that new European socialist utopia liberals claim exists.

By January/February of next year, the shutdown will be long forgotten and replaced by other events and issues.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Your rhetoric as usual is pathetic and useless. There was a poll that showed the majority of people in the U.S. are CONSERVATIVE. Did it ever cross your mind that people are sick and tired of the crap from BOTH parties or can you only regurgitate "Obamabot" rhetoric?

The simple matter is that while people may not like ACA, they also don't like the GOP strategy of shutting down the government for it. Maybe you and the other Duopolybots will eventually wake up and realize that while Dem plan A sucks, that doesn't automatically mean that GOP plan A is good.

The issue is the incompetent in the WH and that is where the leadership is lacking. A good leader wouldn't have us in this position and that is why I voted for Romney. The only ones worried about a govt. shutdown are the people who buy the liberal rhetoric. There is enough money to prevent a shutdown but Obama wants the perception of pain. Please name for me one, just one prediction on the economy that Obama has made that has been accurate?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Those 22 million folks aren't worrying about Repub talking points on GDP..
They are worried about making ends meet every day, something Repubs are oblivious to.


Right and ever day they go to bed thanking Barack Obama for all the kept promises and the booming economy that has prevented them from getting a job.
 
No. Because the debt was caused by the recession that happened in 08,09. Maybe you're too young to remember that.

Your opinion noted just as your total ignorance of the facts. Trillion dollar deficits 2010-2011-2012 are Bush's fault too, right? I really suggest taking a leadership course because you have no idea what leadership is.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

By January/February of next year, the shutdown will be long forgotten and replaced by other events and issues.

Yep, people will still be trying to access the ACA website as 4-5 months is just about right for a govt. run program just to gain access to any information.
 
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