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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Thats a seperate issue. My comments were in regards to the need for institutional knowledge. If the govt operated within the limits of the constitution, it would much easier for 500 people to manage it.

Your statement has no relevance next to the very real problems I pointed out with term limits. Your statement is merely more knee jerk ideology disguised as something else. Of course, it is the season for Halloween and dress up.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Obamacare isn't UHC,
I did not say it was.

nor is it a move in that direction.
Um, yes it is.
Where do you see him arguing against UHC.
Reading error, I see him arguing against a move toward UHC.

Btw, there are Canadians who after having lived under UHC argue against it's adoption elsewhere.
And yet they participate in it. You are assuming he is against his own system.....while arguing the PPACA is not a move towards SP/UHC.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservatives are deeply lost in denial. It's going to be fun watch them destroy themselves as they think that their freakish teaparty constituency actually represents the country and not a bizarre subculture.

You are so right, it is conservatives that have generated the 6.4 trillion added to the debt we have today since Obama took office, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged, stagnant economic growth, 48 million on food stamps, and transformation of America into the new Greece. You must be so proud? But you are right, Obama looks good and gives a great speech with a teleprompter.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Seriously?.....only a fool would think that Obamacare is a move towards UHC, unless, of course, you consider the complete destruction of the current healthcare system is the way to bring UHC as the formula to rescue healthcare after all the Obamacare damage is done.

But then, fools think UHC is free too.
Not only do you not address your own hypocrisy, you try to deny that universal private insurance is not a move towards universal health care!

A 2fer.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

As Republican Senator Tom Coburn disgustedly quipped on Politico...
Boehner got 231 votes in an anti-Democratic vote...
A majority of the majority, the Hastert rule, does support a clean CR...
And now the Speaker has trashed his own aides...This CR is worse.
Conservatives are deeply lost in denial. It's going to be fun watch them destroy themselves as they think that their freakish teaparty constituency actually represents the country and not a bizarre subculture.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

You are so right, it is conservatives that have generated the 6.4 trillion added to the debt we have today since Obama took office, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged, stagnant economic growth, 48 million on food stamps, and transformation of America into the new Greece. You must be so proud? But you are right, Obama looks good and gives a great speech with a teleprompter.

Wow, all these vapid memes packed into one paragraph.

Further evidence of how deeply into denial conservatives have sunk.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservatives are deeply lost in denial. It's going to be fun watch them destroy themselves as they think that their freakish teaparty constituency actually represents the country and not a bizarre subculture.

Denial is ignoring the economic results we have today, five years after Obama took office. How can anyone support the party of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama with the economic results of today? What liberals like you want to divert from are those results and simply continue to buy the rhetoric. Failure is only something promoted by liberals.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

He's hypocritical because his country does something different than he is suggesting this country should do.

Do you know if he LIKES or AGREES with his countries health care system?

If you were on a Canadian message board and if they were talking about relaxing their gun laws and you argued against it, would you be demonstrating "such hypocrisy" simply because the country you're in has laxer gun laws?

He doesn't know anything about me - but that never stops a liberal from attacking a person, rather than attacking their ideas.

As for Canada's healthcare system, I've frequently said it's so imbedded in our culture now that there is no way it would be removed and I don't know any Canadian who'd want to see it removed. For basic coverage and for catastrophic care, it gives the citizens of this country a sense of comfort and ease that is lacking in the US.

But that's not to say our system is perfect - far from it. It's incredibly expensive - in Ontario, where I live, just under 50% of all provincial revenue from all sources is used to fund the delivery of healthcare. And even with that commitment, as the population ages, more and more services are delisted and become the financial responsibility of patients. There's no drug coverage, unless you're on welfare or partially for seniors. There's no dental care, not even for seniors, just those on welfare. There's a multitude of services people in the US would assume are covered but are not. It's why most people, particularly those married with families, either purchase or get through work supplementary health insurance to cover those things not covered, and it's not that cheap either. And that's on top of the taxes we pay to fund the system originally.

And speaking of taxes, if the US wants UHC the taxpayers better be prepared for it. And not just those now paying federal taxes. Here in Canada, our income level that is exempt from federal taxes is under $12,000 - what is it in the US? How many multiples of that?

I'm used to liberals in the US tossing out the hypocrisy claims and telling me to shut up because I get free health care. But it's not free at all. And Obamacare doesn't go anywhere near UHC - it is legislated robbery. I don't blame the majority in the US who knew there were problems with healthcare costs before Obamacare but know damn well that Obamacare does virtually zero to correct the problems and creates a whole host of other problems, including the gelding of your great economy, leaving a bunch of businesses afraid to invest and move ahead until they know the full damage this monstrosity is going to cause them.

If fools want to call me a hypocrite, go for it - I've been called worse by people I actually respect and who actually have something important to say.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Wow, all these vapid memes packed into one paragraph.

Further evidence of how deeply into denial conservatives have sunk.


I have given you the opportunity to post the credible links to show that I am wrong in the data I posted from bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury but you have yet to do so so apparently you continue to believe your opinion based upon rhetoric is substantive and accurate. Looks to me like Obama and liberalism is exactly what you need to survive.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Once again you assume that Obamacare is UHC
False, I have said it is NOT UHC but a step in that direction.
or a move towards UHC.
It certainly is. It expands Medicare (single payer) and subsidizes universal insurance.

Neither is true.
So just to be clear, the accusations of Obama being a socialist had nothing to do with his push of the PPACA?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yes conservatives do own the debt since Obama came in. You bet your a__ they do. Do you know how much total interest there has been on the last 5 Obama budgets? 2.5 trillion! How about all of the war debt from Bush? How about all of the tax give-aways Repubs extorted in 2010?
You are so right, it is conservatives that have generated the 6.4 trillion added to the debt we have today since Obama took office, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged, stagnant economic growth, 48 million on food stamps, and transformation of America into the new Greece. You must be so proud? But you are right, Obama looks good and gives a great speech with a teleprompter.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

I don't know any Canadian who'd want to see it removed.
I guess you count yourself among them.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yes conservatives do own the debt since Obama came in. You bet your a__ they do. Do you know how much interest there has been on the last 5 budgets through Bush-43? How about all of the war debt from Bush? How about all of the tax give-aways Repubs extorted in 2010?

Of course I know as I have posted the budget items which you ignore to continue to spout rhetoric. I am waiting for the sites you find credible but as of yet I haven't seen any, just more rhetoric. You don't seem to understand that budgets are yearly, deficits are yearly, and the debt service on the debt is yearly. Democrats controlled Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 so tell me how the GOP did anything in 2010?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

I guess you count yourself among them.

Thanks for proving my point.

Did you have to work at becoming an imbecile, or did it come naturally?

You pick out part of a sentence, buried in a lengthy explanation, and you feel that proves your point. Your willing ignorance is breathtaking.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Denial is ignoring the economic results we have today, five years after Obama took office. How can anyone support the party of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama with the economic results of today? What liberals like you want to divert from are those results and simply continue to buy the rhetoric. Failure is only something promoted by liberals.

Hey, kids, even more silly rightwing memes. The Bush Meltdown was Obama's fault.

Conservatives don't really think anymore -- it's just memes orbiting their minds in a neverending bout of Obamaphobia.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Wow, all these vapid memes packed into one paragraph.

Further evidence of how deeply into denial conservatives have sunk.

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Re: Most would blame Republicans

We have a government which is driven by blame rather than common sense. Single term limits would clear a lot of that up.

Government is owned by corporations. Whether these sock puppets work for one term or 100 terms; the fix is to remove Fortune 500's and large special interest groups from owning the politicians. Put an end to Super PAC's, put an end to "donations" to politicians, put an end to keeping the Libertarian Party, Green Party, Constitution Party etc off the ballots. Put an end to the media only allowing DNC and GOP in those presidential debates.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Hey, kids, even more silly rightwing memes. The Bush Meltdown was Obama's fault.

Conservatives don't really think anymore -- it's just memes orbiting their minds in a neverending bout of Obamaphobia.

So the Bush meltdown is now 5 years into the Obama Administration? I hope you try that tactic in the private sector or will you remain on your parents financial plan forever?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yes conservatives do own the debt since Obama came in. You bet your a__ they do. Do you know how much total interest there has been on the last 5 Obama budgets? 2.5 trillion! How about all of the war debt from Bush? How about all of the tax give-aways Repubs extorted in 2010?

Since you clearly consider your country's debt obscene, why do you so freely encourage its continued and expedited growth under Obama? And just to be clear, allowing people to keep more of their hard earned wages rather than have it wasted by government, is hardly a contributor to debt. Only in the liberal mind does taxpayers' money belong to the government until the government decides how much they can keep.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Total accumulated debt was handed to Obama--In your mind, Obama is now responsible for the interest on all of his budgets due to this total accumulated debt he was handed. This is an example of why Speaker Cruz is trashing the Nation.
Of course I know as I have posted the budget items which you ignore to continue to spout rhetoric. I am waiting for the sites you find credible but as of yet I haven't seen any, just more rhetoric. You don't seem to understand that budgets are yearly, deficits are yearly, and the debt service on the debt is yearly. Democrats controlled Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 so tell me how the GOP did anything in 2010?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Did you have to work at becoming an imbecile, or did it come naturally?

You pick out part of a sentence, buried in a lengthy explanation, and you feel that proves your point. Your willing ignorance is breathtaking.
All I did was to show your hypocritical statements for what they are and your ultimate response is personal insults.

Reported.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

All I did was to show your hypocritical statements for what they are and your ultimate response is personal insults.

Reported.

So you call me a hypocrite, and that's okay, because it's you slinging the insult - got it. And you pointed out no hypocrisy on my part, you simple pointed out your inability to comprehend a concept as opposed to a talking point.

But if you feel the need to hide under your momma's apron, that's fine with me - calling you out for what you are was well worth it.
 
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

None of your stated accusations are true. You are now slinging insults and you need to be careful with that type of speech.
Since you clearly consider your country's debt obscene, why do you so freely encourage its continued and expedited growth under Obama? And just to be clear, allowing people to keep more of their hard earned wages rather than have it wasted by government, is hardly a contributor to debt. Only in the liberal mind does taxpayers' money belong to the government until the government decides how much they can keep.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

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Yep, this is what a conservative argument sounds like.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

So the Bush meltdown is now 5 years into the Obama Administration? I hope you try that tactic in the private sector or will you remain on your parents financial plan forever?

Yep, the biggest recession in 70 years, followed by GOP obstructionism has caused problems for 5 years.

Why do you find that suprising? It's the result the GOP wanted.
 
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