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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Congress has passed all sorts of laws that later it reconsidered. Otherwise slavery would still be legal and women still property of their husbands. The people hate this Obamacare crap, and they're going to hate it even more the longer it's allowed to continue. The ONLY ones who are for this nightmare are the ones who get free stuff, now there's a surprise.

    Democrats didn't read this turd before passage, nor did they know what was in it. They wanted to pass a big signature bill for their signature president. The American people be damned.
    Once this is passed it is forever and the United States will never be the same. It seems most of the people have no real idea of what they are dealing with here, much like Pelosi's, “We have to pass the (health care) bill so you can find out what is in it”. The lesser informed of the electorate (and they are legion) just want it passed without really understanding the consequences. It's too complicated for them, it's too complicated for the politicians and it's too complicated for those who must carry it out. But let's pass it anyway and see what happens. It's a theory based act.

    And don't organize to protest against it or the IRS will be on your ass before you can say 'Affordable Health Care Act'.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    This poll confirms the influence of the main stream media on the public. The reality of it is the Republican's have passed legislation to keep the govt open and its the democrats who object. The only reason for the public to blame the Republicans is due to vast left wing misinformation propaganda by the leftist media.
    Misinformation you say. How many times did the last 4 presidents raise the debt cieling with no problems 100% of the time. Now if Republicans were so sure they were on the right side of this there are many other ways to go about getting rid of ACA! However, the are willing to hold hostage almost 1,000,000 jobs, the full faith and credit of the country to get what they want??? How is that a Democrate problem? Republicans are at fualt here and everyone knows this outside of the Faux News zombies.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    I say the democrats should leave in the "compromises" the Republicans have offered, And attach mandatory, universal background checks for firearms, and an outright ban on assault rifles and high capacity magazines. Seeing as how the government is going to shut down anyways, a perfect waste of time such as this (as there is no possible way the republican can pass a bill with those provisions in it) could only help to exemplify the complete and utter ridiculousness of what the House Republicans have offered.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    The GOP needs to show this for what it is. Take a stand and say hell ya we're shutting her down. The US government isn't the tool of the democrat's corporate special interests and we'll not stand by and allow the democrats to give corporations special rights and privileges while individual citizens, REAL citizens take on additional expenses and be held to different standards.

    The media is going to blame them regardless. Do the unexpected. Own it and set the narrative.

    The message needs to be, yes, rather than burden the American people with an overreaching, over imposing, over extended, and over taxing government, we would rather shut the government down than allow the Democrats to continue to do harm to this great nation and the great American people.


    When the return fire is the loud cacophony of laughs and cat calls of the pot and the kettle, that everyone knows that the GOP is the party of Big Biz, they only need to reply, "Not anymore apparently"...

    Every GOPer, lock and step, united front, in every interview, on every occasion, at every instance, does this, holds to this narrative and I can guarantee that the Dems will lose BIG.

    Have the patience to hold out a week keeping this narrative and the press will turn, the questions will rise, why isn't the President doing something? Why is his desire to impose on the individual additional financial hardships so great that he is allowing the US government to be the laughing stock of the entire world?

    He'll be reviled throughout history...

    Can his ego allow for that? Nope. He'll fold in the name of compromise. He'll fold saying the people have spoken. He'll fold, because quite honestly that is what democrats do, this little hiccup in history of role reversal will come to an end. Democrats have always been the spineless ones, it's about time the GOP started to remember that...

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Yeah because heaven forbid congress should come between you and your free stuff.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Once this is passed it is forever and the United States will never be the same. It seems most of the people have no real idea of what they are dealing with here, much like Pelosi's, “We have to pass the (health care) bill so you can find out what is in it”. The lesser informed of the electorate (and they are legion) just want it passed without really understanding the consequences. It's too complicated for them, it's too complicated for the politicians and it's too complicated for those who must carry it out. But let's pass it anyway and see what happens. It's a theory based act.

    And don't organize to protest against it or the IRS will be on your ass before you can say 'Affordable Health Care Act'.
    did you by any chance actually go to the healthcare.gov website to at least find out what the government is saying about the effects of the Affordable care act? or do you completely ignore any and all information that this administration supports?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The compromise the right is proposing is to get rid of Obamacare, that isn't a compromise for the Dems. The GOP is wanting the Dems to cut their signature bill. It would be the equivalent of the Dems going, you need to cut the military by 75%. It just isn't going to happen that way and that's why it is looked at the right not compromising.

    If the GOP really wants to get rid of Obamacare, they are going to have to wait till 2014 and focus on winning the senate and keeping the house. Anything less than that and the GOP is going to get blamed.

    If the GOP were willing to compromise, they would look outside of Obamacare and look for cuts on the Dems side of the house to attack. Attacking a primary bill the president and the Dems support isn't going to work.

    If the GOP lets Obamacare go, let's the Dems take FULL ownership of it without GOP support at all, They will probably win the senate, keep the house, and get the presidency in 2016.



    Not going to happen.

    The GOP will be mighty lucky if it even exists 30 years from now after massive demographic change in the USA hits it full force.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The GOP needs to show this for what it is. Take a stand and say hell ya we're shutting her down. The US government isn't the tool of the democrat's corporate special interests and we'll not stand by and allow the democrats to give corporations special rights and privileges while individual citizens, REAL citizens take on additional expenses and be held to different standards.
    You do realize that the only thing these waivers exempt these corporations / businesses from is providing plans with an unlimited maximum annual benefit. They still have to follow every other aspect of the ACA.... the plans they provide simply are allowed to have maximum annual benefits. Thats it. They aren't exempted from the ACA.... they are exempted from providing plans with unlimited annual benefits.

    EDIT: Oh Yeah and only until 2014 after which no more waiver are allowed per the provisions in the ACA
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....and that. Is precisely why Democrats want one.
    And, apparently, the GOP is too stupid to avoid this obvious trap. Can't say they don't deserve what's coming to them..
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....and that. Is precisely why Democrats want one.
    It's not like the Republicans wouldn't be happy to do it if the shoe were on the other foot though.

    I think it would be hilarious if the Senate left the Obamacare defunding but then added a poison pill that the TP won't accept. "OK, defund Obamacare and raise inheritance taxes."


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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