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Thread: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by letsunite View Post
    I blame Republicans, I don't think I'm mindless or a ****head.
    I joined this site with the sole intention of trying to understand how reasonably intelligent people are so divided on this issue of the shutdown.

    I blame them because a) repealing, defunding, or delaying the ACA do not seem like legitimate reasons to not pass a 6 week CR to keep the govt open. I believe they are desperate to stop ACA before it gets started, and they will do anything to achieve this, even if it means shutting down the govt and harming the economy.

    b) because they have the votes to pass the CR as it stands right now, but will not put it up for a vote. There are a lot of Republicans that disagree with the "hostage" strategy,

    and c) Republicans have not been shy about the fact that they wanted to shut the govt down. It was a deliberate tactic that they used, and Ted Cruz even talked about how there was not too much political fallout from the '95 shutdown, implying that it's not as risky as some might think. They wanted to it, and they're doing it, why pretend otherwise?

    If I'm missing something, I can take it, let me know. I am not an "Obamanot," and I think it's funny that some people think those who support Obama do so blindly.
    I watched GW get us into some deep ****, and I think Obama has done well with an obstructionist, pass-nothing house. It's all relative.
    And you started out so well only to resort to falling into the same old liberal lefting rant we see here every day. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a piece of legislation created behind closed doors and passed completely by one party is under attack from the other. Obama had a chance to negotiate with the Republicans but like a typical "street thug" he has no concept of negotiations and has a King complex. Republicans made no secret of wanting to repeal it and defund it. They ran on it in 2010 and 2012 and retained control of the "Peoples' House" something liberals don't understand. Now the Republicans are doing what they were elected to do and the public, apparently you included, are having a problem understanding that.

    As for GW Bush getting us into this mess, again you seem to lack a basic understanding of how our govt. works. Democrats controlled the Congress and were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job. They are every bit as much to blame as Bush for Bush couldn't do a thing without Democrat support. Democrats supported nothing Bush proposed or did thus nothing got done so you blame Bush?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Well, I didn't give Reagan credit for Clinton's economy now, did I...

    Nor did I blame the collapse of Clinton. He was simply president at the right time. If Bush (41) was reelected, the economy wouldn't be much different then, than what Clinton had.

    Why are you making things up?
    Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Lady?

    You really can't read. Can you?

    And, adding $1.7 Trillion to a debt that was under a trillion is far worse than adding 6 to one that is already at 10 or more.
    No it isn't especially when that debt doesn't consume the entire country yearly GDP like it does now. You want to talk percentages all the time except when it comes to debt to GDP. What percentage is the national debt today to GDP? What percentage of debt to GDP did Reagan have after the end of his term?

    Stop believing what you hear and actually do some research.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell me your personal experience with the Reagan recession of 81-82? Numbers certainly aren't your friend here and never will be. How do you know this recession was worse? Do you own a home? What interest rates are you being charged now vs. then? How about your credit interest then vs. now? Calamity. you really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, this is embarrassing.
    Unlike you, I can read a graph.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.
    Mini recession? Are you related to randel? Same leaning, same typical leftwing bs, and same ignorance. Tell us exactly what legislation Obama got approved that brought us out of the recession in June 2009? If he has done so well why are the economic numbers today so bad? If he has an incredible healthcare proposal why has he had to give so many exemptions but only to friends and backers? Not sure what world you live in but your opinions on what went on and what is going on is out of touch with reality.

    Obviously you weren't old enough in 81-82 to understand that wasn't a mini recession and to claim differently just shows your own ignorance

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.
    Mini recession? Are you related to randel? Same leaning, same typical leftwing bs, and same ignorance. Tell us exactly what legislation Obama got approved that brought us out of the recession in June 2009? If he has done so well why are the economic numbers today so bad? If he has an incredible healthcare proposal why has he had to give so many exemptions but only to friends and backers? Not sure what world you live in but your opinions on what went on and what is going on is out of touch with reality.

    Obviously you weren't old enough in 81-82 to understand that wasn't a mini recession and to claim differently just shows your own ignorance

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Unlike you, I can read a graph.
    No, sorry you have no idea what that graph shows and the relevance it has to the economic conditions TODAY, 2013

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No it isn't especially when that debt doesn't consume the entire country yearly GDP like it does now. You want to talk percentages all the time except when it comes to debt to GDP. What percentage is the national debt today to GDP? What percentage of debt to GDP did Reagan have after the end of his term?

    Stop believing what you hear and actually do some research.
    Well, that's at least true. GDP in 1988 was about 7 Trillion; today it's maybe 15.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, sorry you have no idea what that graph shows and the relevance it has to the economic conditions TODAY, 2013
    It shows that his current recession is deeper, by several orders of magnitude, than anything Reagan faced.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Well, that's at least true. GDP in 1988 was about 7 Trillion; today it's maybe 15.
    So exactly what does that tell you. Debt to GDP then vs. now? You love percentages, that should make you think a little

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