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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually aside from the narrative, (which is false btw) the polls I have seen have it pretty even, more along the lines of 36% blame republicans, 32% blame Democrats, and 17% blame Obama himself....

    Personally, I think that republicans do indeed share in the blame, but you can't put it all on them when people want compromise, house republicans do exactly that, and demo's come back with 'NO, our way, or nothing, and we will lie and blame you for it....!'
    In old fashioned politics that are still practiced in other representative governments (like the United Kingdom) such compromises require building credit with the opposing party.

    The Republican Party has run a scorched earth campaign against the political opponents (and especially Obama) for the past five years, so they have no credit to go on.

    I'm going to ignore that the starting Republican bid is the entire Romney presidency and that the last bid is postponing the fight until a different deadline.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the posted article:

    According to the poll, which was conducted Friday through Sunday, 46% say they would blame congressional Republicans for a government shutdown, with 36% saying the president would be more responsible and 13% pointing fingers at both the GOP in Congress and Obama.

    Right now, the gap is not that large. But that will likely change if there is a prolonged shutdown and especially if the nation is forced into a debt default and/or recession if debt payments are prioritized due to the debt ceiling's not being raised.
    The American people appear to be in a lose/lose situation.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. republicans ARE trying to negotiate, and compromise, and all demo's are doing is calling names and distorting things....Although no one is going to come out of this looking good, it is just not factual to try and make it appear as though repubs will bear the entire blame in this.
    And it works for them.

    Facts have not played an important role in recent presidential elections as much as feelings, and those feeling will continue to trump facts.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Shut down the government, start with the IRS. Second up - congress.

    Seriously, how can the republicans be blamed when the so-called leaders of the party have been begging to cave to the dems at every opportunity? Obamacare is as good a hill as any for a politician to die upon.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    We need to get rid of institutional knowledge. If govt is so complex that it requires lifelong appointments and massive bureaucracies to just remember how it even works, then its become to big. Govt power needs to be concentrated from the bottom up.
    The erosion of State rights has been the largest contributing factor to the present dilemma.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually aside from the narrative, (which is false btw) the polls I have seen have it pretty even, more along the lines of 36% blame republicans, 32% blame Democrats, and 17% blame Obama himself....

    Personally, I think that republicans do indeed share in the blame, but you can't put it all on them when people want compromise, house republicans do exactly that, and demo's come back with 'NO, our way, or nothing, and we will lie and blame you for it....!'
    Help me understand this.
    What is it that the democrats are asking for, what is the "way" that they are demanding? IMHO, "their" way is simply the law...ACA was passed by congress, and upheld by the supreme court. They got their way. The money has been approved. There were endless negotiations and compromises, don't you remember how much time it took to pass it? That was negotiation and compromise. Do you believe that congress can go back and say "we don't like the law we passed, let's talk about it again...and if you don't revisit it the govt will shut down." We spent many months debating ACA, now they want to defund it in 2 or 3 days?
    How is this different than Democrats saying "we weren't able to pass the gun control laws we wanted after Newtown, so we're going to attach them to a spending bill, and if it doesn't pass, the govt will shut down. Republicans must negotiate or the shutdown is their fault."
    Is that not a reasonable analogy?
    I honestly do not get the rationale for this being anyone's responsibility but the republicans.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And it works for them.

    Facts have not played an important role in recent presidential elections as much as feelings, and those feeling will continue to trump facts.
    The Republicans don't want to compromise. The Tea Party is trying to get their base fired up for the upcoming elections and the GOP Establishment is dragging its feet behind them to avoid inviting scrutiny into their own lack of conservatism. Either against all logic they receive the entire Romney presidency, or they shut down the government and look like heroes back at home. Either way, the Tea Party's seats are safe.

    The Establishment's are not, which is why they begged the Tea Party to postpone this song and dance so the party can take another run at it a month later and perhaps strike a less offensive chord with the independents and the moderates.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

    Here is the biggest problem with the GOP. Sadly some people think they are having trouble getting their message across! Their message is loud and clear. Frankly not to many people want their message. This proves that only a small mainority of the US is buying into it. They have blamed everyone but themselves. The fact is the Republicans hitched their wagons to the Teabaggers and now they look really foolish in doing so.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by letsunite View Post
    Help me understand this.
    What is it that the democrats are asking for, what is the "way" that they are demanding? IMHO, "their" way is simply the law...ACA was passed by congress, and upheld by the supreme court. They got their way. The money has been approved. There were endless negotiations and compromises, don't you remember how much time it took to pass it? That was negotiation and compromise. Do you believe that congress can go back and say "we don't like the law we passed, let's talk about it again...and if you don't revisit it the govt will shut down." We spent many months debating ACA, now they want to defund it in 2 or 3 days?
    How is this different than Democrats saying "we weren't able to pass the gun control laws we wanted after Newtown, so we're going to attach them to a spending bill, and if it doesn't pass, the govt will shut down. Republicans must negotiate or the shutdown is their fault."
    Is that not a reasonable analogy?
    I honestly do not get the rationale for this being anyone's responsibility but the republicans.
    Thank you.
    Congress has passed all sorts of laws that later it reconsidered. Otherwise slavery would still be legal and women still property of their husbands. The people hate this Obamacare crap, and they're going to hate it even more the longer it's allowed to continue. The ONLY ones who are for this nightmare are the ones who get free stuff, now there's a surprise.

    Democrats didn't read this turd before passage, nor did they know what was in it. They wanted to pass a big signature bill for their signature president. The American people be damned.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    This poll confirms the influence of the main stream media on the public. The reality of it is the Republican's have passed legislation to keep the govt open and its the democrats who object. The only reason for the public to blame the Republicans is due to vast left wing misinformation propaganda by the leftist media.

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