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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reagan tripled the debt. I know you want to run from that fact. But, you can't.
    Here is the chart that liberals like you want to ignore.

    The recession in 81-82 was a double dip that the second leg began in mid 1981 before the Reagan economic plan was passed. Employment when the recession began was 100 million Americans. At the end of Reagan's first term it was 105 million or a 5 million increase.

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2013

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    1980 99879 99995 99713 99233 98945 98682 98796 98824 99077 99317 99545 99634
    1981 99955 100191 100571 101056 101048 100298 100693 100689 100064 100378 100207 99645
    1982 99692 99762 99672 99576 100116 99543 99493 99633 99504 99215 99112 99032
    1983 99161 99089 99179 99560 99642 100633 101208 101608 102016 102039 102729 102996
    1984 103201 103824 103967 104336 105193 105591 105435 105163 105490 105638 105972 106223
    1985 106302 106555 106989 106936 106932 106505 106807 107095 107657 107847 108007 108216
    1986 108887 108480 108837 108952 109089 109576 109810 110015 110085 110273 110475 110728
    1987 110953 111257 111408 111794 112434 112246 112634 113057 112909 113282 113505 113793
    1988 114016 114227 114037 114650 114292 114927 115060 115282 115356 115638 116100 116104
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
    2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
    2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
    2009 142153 141644 140721 140652 140250 140005 139898 139481 138810 138421 138665 138025
    2010 138439 138624 138767 139296 139255 139148 139167 139405 139388 139097 139046 139295
    2011 139253 139471 139643 139606 139681 139405 139509 139870 140164 140314 140771 140896
    2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
    2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170
    I have highlighted the employment numbers at the beginning of each recession and then at the end of each first term. For you Obamabots, get someone to help you read the numbers because they aren't favorable for your "hero."

    Very busy chart so let me condense it for you.

    1981 recession began in July 1981 and there were 100.7 million working Americans, At the end of the Reagan first term there were 106.0 million working or a 5.3 million job gain

    2001 recession began and there were 137.1 million working Americans and at the end of the Bush first term it was 140.2 or an increase of 3.1 million.

    2007-2009 recession began there were 146.3 million working Americans and at the end of the Obama first term that was 143.3 million working Americans, that is a 3 million loss. So tell me, Calamity, which President has the best performance?

    I could do the same with debt but then again you wouldn't understand those numbers either.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Uh, no. I'm 100% correct. You are the one who is wrong.
    So, you believe we have a non American citizen as a Senator from Texas? Please explain or restate if I am misunderstanding.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    He sure did creating 17 million jobs and we are paying debt service on the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan Debt. Obama has added 6.4 trillion to the debt and created less than 2 million jobs since taking office and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Guess you missed those numbers in your attacks on Republicans.
    Let's not forget that a lot of that spending was military which toppled the communist government in the former USSR. I know the libs don't like that he got rid of their shining example of what they want our government to be, but it was money well spent.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    He sure did creating 17 million jobs and we are paying debt service on the 1.7 trillion dollar Reagan Debt. Obama has added 6.4 trillion to the debt and created less than 2 million jobs since taking office and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Guess you missed those numbers in your attacks on Republicans.
    Did you forget that it was Bush who crashed the economy and was behind all those job losses? Funny how he's the two-term president you conservatives all want to now claim is not your own.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So, you believe we have a non American citizen as a Senator from Texas? Please explain or restate if I am misunderstanding.
    His mom was an American Citizen in good standing. So, it doesn't really matter that he was born in Canada or that his dad was a Commie who fought for Castro.

    Sad though that the GOP won't cut Obama the same slack. Maybe Dinesh D'Souza will make a movie about the sins of Cruz's father.


    Yeah. I know. Fat chance. Kenyans make better targets than Cubans who now claim to be Republicans.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Let's not forget that a lot of that spending was military which toppled the communist government in the former USSR. I know the libs don't like that he got rid of their shining example of what they want our government to be, but it was money well spent.
    Exactly, at the time it was called a "Peace Dividend" that was squandered by Clinton

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    You guys might as well save some time and just type "Republican debt good, Democratic debt bad."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Did you forget that it was Bush who crashed the economy and was behind all those job losses? Funny how he's the two-term president you conservatives all want to now claim is not your own.
    That is the liberal opinion because of course the Democrats in Congress including Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had nothing to do with it. Seems you also have a problem understanding that the Democrats took total control of the Congress in January 2007 but as you have proven facts are hard for you to understand. Has to be difficult for someone as partisan as you to believe that the guy you hated the most in the world actually had better economic results than Obama and yet you want to compare Obama to Bush. Funny how you ignored that the employment numbers I posted for Reagan, Bush, and Obama were first term numbers. You see, I didn't vote for Bush in 2008 but did in 2004 and from the numbers you can see why

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You guys might as well save some time and just type "Republican debt good, Democratic debt bad."
    Debt is only good if you generate a positive return on that debt. I have to believe that even you would believe that the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt that doubled GDP, created 17 million jobs, and created a peace dividend was a good return on that debt. What do we have to show for it with Obama?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is the chart that liberals like you want to ignore.

    The recession in 81-82 was a double dip that the second leg began in mid 1981 before the Reagan economic plan was passed. Employment when the recession began was 100 million Americans. At the end of Reagan's first term it was 105 million or a 5 million increase.



    I have highlighted the employment numbers at the beginning of each recession and then at the end of each first term. For you Obamabots, get someone to help you read the numbers because they aren't favorable for your "hero."

    Very busy chart so let me condense it for you.

    1981 recession began in July 1981 and there were 100.7 million working Americans, At the end of the Reagan first term there were 106.0 million working or a 5.3 million job gain

    2001 recession began and there were 137.1 million working Americans and at the end of the Bush first term it was 140.2 or an increase of 3.1 million.

    2007-2009 recession began there were 146.3 million working Americans and at the end of the Obama first term that was 143.3 million working Americans, that is a 3 million loss. So tell me, Calamity, which President has the best performance?

    I could do the same with debt but then again you wouldn't understand those numbers either.
    The recession of 2007 was the deepest recession since the Great Depression. The one in the 80's was mild.


    Your boy Bush nearly took the country over the edge. Obama and teh D's saved the nation. If we had followed GOP strategy in 2009, Unemployment would have reached 25%.

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