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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    For pete's sake. What unemployment stat do you want to go by? Pick ONE. U3, U6? pick one. I'll go do your homework for you AGAIN and show everyone AGAIN how wrong you are.
    Doesn't make any difference when you are talking employment, you are the one that seems to have a problem understanding what you are looking at. I totally understand, the lightbulb is going off in your head but you just cannot accept it. What you don't seem to understand is that it really doesn't matter that Bush had more jobs created than Obama because Bush isn't in office now. The Obama record is a disaster and you for some reason cannot accept that and continue to want to blame Bush. You are smarter than this so please show it. Stop embarrassing yourself because I can beat you up all day with the official govt. numbers.

    Bush took over an economy with 137 million working Americans and took that to 146 million, the recession cut that down to 142 million that Obama inherited. Obama has 144 million working Americans today, 2013 after adding 6.4 trillion to the debt. Is that your idea of a success?

    What you are showing is the problem that liberals have, they do not understand numbers and simply buy rhetoric. That is why when I ask for verifiable data I get nothing but more diversion and more opinions. You want badly to believe what Obama has told you but the numbers don't lie. He is incompetent, lacks leadership skills, and is nothing more than a community agitator.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doesn't make any difference when you are talking employment, you are the one that seems to have a problem understanding what you are looking at. I totally understand, the lightbulb is going off in your head but you just cannot accept it. What you don't seem to understand is that it really doesn't matter that Bush had more jobs created than Obama because Bush isn't in office now. The Obama record is a disaster and you for some reason cannot accept that and continue to want to blame Bush. You are smarter than this so please show it. Stop embarrassing yourself because I can beat you up all day with the official govt. numbers.

    Bush took over an economy with 137 million working Americans and took that to 146 million, the recession cut that down to 142 million that Obama inherited. Obama has 144 million working Americans today, 2013 after adding 6.4 trillion to the debt. Is that your idea of a success?

    What you are showing is the problem that liberals have, they do not understand numbers and simply buy rhetoric. That is why when I ask for verifiable data I get nothing but more diversion and more opinions. You want badly to believe what Obama has told you but the numbers don't lie. He is incompetent, lacks leadership skills, and is nothing more than a community agitator.
    And here's your classic dodge.

    I have to be reminded every now and again why you are on my ignore list.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And here's your classic dodge.

    I have to be reminded every now and again why you are on my ignore list.
    I would do my best to ignore someone who beat the hell out of them with verifiable numbers too. You do that a lot and the question is why? What is it about liberalism and Obama that creates this kind of loyalty? Maybe I was too kind claiming that you were smarter than this.

    There is no dodge, you are talking job creation on one hand and then unemployment on the other so which is it? You have no idea what chart you posted and I confused you with the basic logic that in a nation of 312 million Americans there are more than 110 million working Americans. U-3, U-6 numbers are irrelevant when it comes to talking about job creation so exactly what do you want to talk about. Job creation or unemployment. Either one I can beat you to death all night with.

    So put me back on ignore and relegate yourself to total liberal ignorance. You will grow out of it, I assure you as I did.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I would do my best to ignore someone who beat the hell out of them with verifiable numbers too. You do that a lot and the question is why? What is it about liberalism and Obama that creates this kind of loyalty? Maybe I was too kind claiming that you were smarter than this.

    There is no dodge, you are talking job creation on one hand and then unemployment on the other so which is it? You have no idea what chart you posted and I confused you with the basic logic that in a nation of 312 million Americans there are more than 110 million working Americans. U-3, U-6 numbers are irrelevant when it comes to talking about job creation so exactly what do you want to talk about. Job creation or unemployment. Either one I can beat you to death all night with.

    So put me back on ignore and relegate yourself to total liberal ignorance. You will grow out of it, I assure you as I did.
    Ok trashtalker...

    Here's your post of cut and paste gibberish. Let me spank you with your own crap as usual:

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2013

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
    2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
    2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
    2009 142153 141644 140721 140652 140250 140005 139898 139481 138810 138421 138665 138025
    2010 138439 138624 138767 139296 139255 139148 139167 139405 139388 139097 139046 139295
    2011 139253 139471 139643 139606 139681 139405 139509 139870 140164 140314 140771 140896
    2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
    2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170

    Your stuff. You cut and pasted this shyte. Let me decipher this for you:

    Bush's start and end numbers in Red. Obama's start and end numbers in Blue. Obama's last number is his peak, Bush's peak is in baby blue. This is you ignoring your own ****ing numbers because trends buck you and your broken logic falls apart. Bush trashed the economy and it was indicated that he peaked in baby blue and drove it south from LATE 2007 until he left in January 2009 when his economy was losing 800,000 jobs a month. Obama's economy is on the rise after it bottomed just under a year after Bush left office (noted in purple) and after the stimulus was rolling. Bush's economy ****ing died a horrible death. I don't care what economic measure you bring... employment, unemployment... you are always pwned by your own stupid numbers.

    Not to mention you are comparing Bush's eight years to Obama's five.

    Now everyone can see whose economy is headed which way. I'm even letting you have the narrative of the 2009 budget being Obama's responsibility and not Bush's budget which it was.

    And there you have it. Your own damn numbers. Your own damn pwnage. Trash talk that.

    You just keep fooling yourself all you want. While I put you on ignore, you just go ahead and keep putting reality and facts on ignore and live in the world of false circular logic confined in Republican bubble wrap while convincing yourself that it's everyone else that can't read.

    Adios champ!
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ok trashtalker...

    Here's your post of cut and paste gibberish. Let me spank you with your own crap as usual:

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2013

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
    2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
    2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
    2009 142153 141644 140721 140652 140250 140005 139898 139481 138810 138421 138665 138025
    2010 138439 138624 138767 139296 139255 139148 139167 139405 139388 139097 139046 139295
    2011 139253 139471 139643 139606 139681 139405 139509 139870 140164 140314 140771 140896
    2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
    2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170

    Your stuff. You cut and pasted this shyte. Let me decipher this for you:

    Bush's start and end numbers in Red. Obama's start and end numbers in Blue. Obama's last number is his peak, Bush's peak is in baby blue. This is you ignoring your own ****ing numbers because trends buck you and your broken logic falls apart. Bush trashed the economy and it was indicated that he peaked in baby blue and drove it south from LATE 2007 until he left in January 2009 when his economy was losing 800,000 jobs a month. Obama's economy is on the rise after it bottomed just under a year after Bush left office (noted in purple) and after the stimulus was rolling. Bush's economy ****ing died a horrible death. I don't care what economic measure you bring... employment, unemployment... you are always pwned by your own stupid numbers.

    Not to mention you are comparing Bush's eight years to Obama's five.

    Now everyone can see whose economy is headed which way. I'm even letting you have the narrative of the 2009 budget being Obama's responsibility and not Bush's budget which it was.

    And there you have it. Your own damn numbers. Your own damn pwnage. Trash talk that.

    You just keep fooling yourself all you want. While I put you on ignore, you just go ahead and keep putting reality and facts on ignore and live in the world of false circular logic confined in Republican bubble wrap while convincing yourself that it's everyone else that can't read.

    Adios champ!
    You think you made a point? What you showed is that liberalism is a sickness that apparently doesn't have a cure. Obama has added over 6.4 trillion to the debt in 5 years and these are the numbers you want to give him credit for? Wow, such low expectations, no wonder you are a liberal. You really need to stop embarrassing yourself.

    You want to talk Bush's first term, great that started in January 2001 and ended December 2004. Bush inherited a recession and had 9/11. Now I know those were nothing in comparison to what Obama inherited, yeah right.

    You seem to take great pride in the direction of the economy so tell me what direction is that, stagnant economic growth, high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, high debt, record numbers on food stamps, massive govt. dependence? Again you don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about. How could anyone not just love the booming Obama economy.

    If you spent as much as Obama has spent, got the results Obama got after 5 years you would be fired, but not Obama. He continues to get your support because he has a D after his name and you have such low expectations. You really don't understand the economy at all thus I understand your problem with charts and graphs. You post a graph that shows 110-112 million working Americans and then don't acknowledge that isn't the right chart showing employment. You then want to discount the Bush economic results from January 2001-December 2007 and then want to blame Bush entirely for 2008. Now you want to continue to blame Bush for the results from 2009-2011 when he had total control over the entire Congress but now it is the Republicans fault because they control the House and have since January 2011

    Obama really does have exactly what he wants in people like you.

    Now this ought to be good, Bush submitted a 2009 budget in mid fiscal year 2008 as required. The deficit in that budget was less than 500 billion dollars but that budget was never passed. Fiscal year 2009 began in October 2008 and there was no budget, just continuing resolutions using current 2008 spending levels. Bush left office on January 21, 2009 and the last continuing resolution using 2008 numbers ended in March 2009. There was no Bush budget approved only 2008 continuing resolutions. Obama signed the Bush budget after adding to it and Congress approved it. Tell me how it is the Bush budget when it wasn't passed or signed by Bush?

    Is this the liberal logic that we hear so much about? I call it liberal ignorance and a sickness. Adios

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.
    LOL I thought FOX was #1. Now they are 2nd place? The American people aren't so stupid to think the game the T's are playing is not the cause. How many times have you heard of a minority party demanding a law be repealed without due process? It's not only illegal it is impossible.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The T.E.A. Party representatives are doing what the people that elected them told them to do. The American people are entitled to the same exemptions Obama has given his supporters and base. Blaming the Republicans is nothing more than political theater perpetuated by a willing press. The reality is quite different. Congress passed the law and should be forced onto the law.
    Utah didn't elect Mike Lee to shut down the government. He's becoming a dirty word in his home state.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Funny, really. It is the President's job to work within the Budget granted him by the House. He didn't do that and so fell down on the job. I mean, couldn't he see the money was running out? Why didn't he slow his spending? How can anyone blame anyone else but Obama? It isn't as though the US didn't have enough debt, after all.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Funny, really. It is the President's job to work within the Budget granted him by the House. He didn't do that and so fell down on the job. I mean, couldn't he see the money was running out? Why didn't he slow his spending? How can anyone blame anyone else but Obama? It isn't as though the US didn't have enough debt, after all.
    Funny this doesn't have anything to do with budget this has to do with spending already approved by congress and nothing else. Do you have a clue as to what is going on??

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Funny, really. It is the President's job to work within the Budget granted him by the House. He didn't do that and so fell down on the job. I mean, couldn't he see the money was running out? Why didn't he slow his spending? How can anyone blame anyone else but Obama? It isn't as though the US didn't have enough debt, after all.
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