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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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calamity said:
Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?
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You know, when I look at my household budget, I don't throw in my neighbors income to make it look better than it really is. That's about what you are doing. The neighbors don't pay my bills.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
I never limited my discussion to federal revenue.


Uh, no. The recession is not yet over.

Note how we have not yet reached the baseline/.
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Really? What was the title of your chart?

A recession is not defined by a return to pre-employment levels. If that was the case, then we would have been in a recession from 2001 till almost 2006.
 
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Anthony60 said:
You know, when I look at my household budget, I don't throw in my neighbors income to make it look better than it really is. That's about what you are doing. The neighbors don't pay my bills.
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States and local governments are not the US's "neighbors". They are actually a part of the US. It's like you doing your budget and counting the Wife's income. Your analogy sucks.

Look, the cart compares apples to apples. It uses the same revenue streams from before the recession until now, and it shows how the sum total of those streams has grown since the recession began.
 
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Samhain said:
Really? What was the title of your chart?

A recession is not defined by a return to pre-employment levels. If that was the case, then we would have been in a recession from 2001 till almost 2006.
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We were. The only reason we didn't think so was because the housing market was inflating making everyone feel richer than they were. Once that bubble burst, we all saw the results.
 
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calamity said:
We were. The only reason we didn't think so was because the housing market was inflating making everyone feel richer than they were. Once that bubble burst, we all saw the results.
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The housing bubble started well before 2001. Construction in general enjoyed an extremely long period without a downturn starting in the early 90's, and the housing market was along for the whole ride along with commercial, institutional and industrial construction.
 
jmotivator said:
.... and the market will bear it because?

(Hint: It has to do with the money supply)
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Um... if you mean money supply as in how much money individual consumers possess, then yes it plays a role. If you mean money supply as in how many dollars are printed then not really, at least not in the short term.

(Hint: Read academic papers,, not conservative entertainment media)
 
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calamity said:
We were. The only reason we didn't think so was because the housing market was inflating making everyone feel richer than they were. Once that bubble burst, we all saw the results.
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That still doesn't change the definition of a recession.
 
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calamity said:
The recession is not yet over. Revenue has not reached 2006 levels yet. The economy is still in recovery.

That's why the GOP playing games with the budget is such a problem.
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LOL, According to NBER which tracts the recession it ended in June 2009 but then again economic policies are what drives revenue and thus the failures of the Obama Administration. The economy is recovering at the slowest pace in history because of poor or no leadership at all which is something you have no ability to understand. Really is sad how you hold Obama to a different standard than Republicans. If a Republican had this economic record it would be a different story for you
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?
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Some state and local governments actually have good leadership in a private sector economy something you don't seem to understand. Ohio elected John Kasich and with the Kasich economic policies the economy turned around so who cares? Obviously you want to give Obama credit for what elected governors do but only the good things.
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, According to NEA which tracts the recession it ended in June 2009 but then again economic policies are what drives revenue and thus the failures of the Obama Administration. The economy is recovering at the slowest pace in history because of poor or no leadership at all which is something you have no ability to understand. Really is sad how you hold Obama to a different standard than Republicans. If a Republican had this economic record it would be a different story for you
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THe recession ended in 2009? :shock:


Yeah right.
 
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Conservative said:
Some state and local governments actually have good leadership in a private sector economy something you don't seem to understand. Ohio elected John Kasich and with the Kasich economic policies the economy turned around so who cares? Obviously you want to give Obama credit for what elected governors do but only the good things.
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Ohio turned around mostly because of fracking and the resulting cheap energy---that plus the fact that Obama rescued the auto industry.
 
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calamity said:
I never limited my discussion to federal revenue.




Uh, no. The recession is not yet over.
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Note how we have not yet reached the baseline/.
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Do you have any concept of leadership and the direction created by that leadership? economic policies and direction are determined by the policies of the leader in charge which is Obama and the economic results are terrible showing lack of leadership yet all you do is make excuses for Obama's economic results. Try using that tactic in your own business career.
 
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Samhain said:
That still doesn't change the definition of a recession.
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Until the recovery is complete, a recession is not officially over. You can't just count the downslope; it's the entire "V" which defines a recession.
 
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Conservative said:
Do you have any concept of leadership and the direction created by that leadership? economic policies and direction are determined by the policies of the leader in charge which is Obama and the economic results are terrible showing lack of leadership yet all you do is make excuses for Obama's economic results. Try using that tactic in your own business career.
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Uh, if you haven't noticed the current recession is recovering at the exact same slope as the one Bush had to deal with after 9-11.
 
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calamity said:
Ohio turned around mostly because of fracking and the resulting cheap energy---that plus the fact that Obama rescued the auto industry.
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LOL, you really have no understanding of economic policies and how they drive economic activity. Your posts are more embarrassing everyday as apparently the President when he is a Democrat has no impact on the economy but when he is a Republican he drove the economy into the ditch.
 
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calamity said:
Until the recovery is complete, a recession is not officially over. You can't just count the downslope; it's the entire "V" which defines a recession.
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The recovery will be complete and turn around the day Obama resigns.
 
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calamity said:
Uh, if you haven't noticed the current recession is recovering at the exact same slope as the one Bush had to deal with after 9-11.
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The current recession ended in June 2009 and the recovery is the slowest in history due to zero leadership and poor economic policies.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yes, the republicans are sending through bills that would open the government, the democrats refuse to approve them. So, it is the democrats that are shutting things down.
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I haven't seen this reported by the M$M's? Has anyone else? It's all over talk radio...
 
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Conservative said:
The current recession ended in June 2009 and the recovery is the slowest in history due to zero leadership and poor economic policies.
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THe recovery is following the same slope as the one under Bush. You do understand slopes, correct?
 
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calamity said:
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Your news source can't even add.
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My source was the National Bureau of Economic Research so what does Global warming have to do with the dates of recessions? When are you going to admit that liberalism has made a fool out of you? Have you no pride?
 
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Conservative said:
The recovery will be complete and turn around the day Obama resigns.
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Now there's an unbiased remark :roll:
 
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calamity said:
Now there's an unbiased remark :roll:
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Yep, kind of like your unbiased remarks the only difference is you ignore it when I give you actual data so decided to resort to your technique of posting opinions as fact.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
My source was the National Bureau of Economic Research so what does Global warming have to do with the dates of recessions? When are you going to admit that liberalism has made a fool out of you? Have you no pride?
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It just goes to show that Conservatives get bad information from their "News" sources all the time.
 
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