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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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Conservative said:
You didn't answer the question, where should my wife's money go if not to her family. You don't seem to understand the concept of contributions along with just about everything else. It isn't a government check, it is her money and mine as well as yours that you contribute. Why should your money pay fro my retirement supplement? Is that what a Ponzi scheme is?
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It is what it is. I'm not thrilled about paying in at a rate of roughly $150k every ten years. I'd rather keep the money. That's for sure. But...

I'd rather pay a few bucks than see millions of people your age panhandling and suffering from untreated diseases when I walk down the street. So, we subsidize them all the way to their grave...which, of course, is expensive as hell.
 
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calamity said:
1. Sadly I know a single mom with mental disability who collects food stamps, housing subsidy and cash assistance. She's unemployable. And, even if some firm dared carry her on their staff, she could never hold the job and care for the kids. So, the state carries her. I wish there was a better option. But, it is what it is.

2. My belief in a limited gvt doesn't mean I want to see you starving on the street with no healthcare because you are too old to work and no one accept you for health insurance. I wish there was a better option, but it is what it is. I'd rather people work until they can't anymore. Healthy, capable a d experienced people retiring 10-20 years before they become feeble is a waste of resources.

3. Hopefully it went to some needy kid whose parent died before they reached age-18.
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Where should my wife's money for years of work and forced contributions into SS go? The point is you have no idea where that money is going but do when it goes to the family, is donated to charity you definitely would know where it went. Liberalism is a disease where you and others think with your heart instead of your brain and thus are incapable of admitting that you are wrong. Rather sad and yet this is what you want Republicans to compromise with? How do you compromise with totally lunacy?

You think Republicans don't want to help that single Mom? how many of those single moms are there and do we need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Budget to help her. Why do we need a Federal Bureaucrat spending the money and solving local and state issues?

You think a Federal Bureaucrat is better prepared and knowledgeable about state and local issues than a state and local representative? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt, millions of Americans on Food stamps and over a 100 million Americans dependent on some form of Federal taxpayer assistance so why aren't you asking where is that liberal compassion and results?

You think SS and Medicare money are going to the needy? You don't think that either me or my wife understand charity? I probably give more to charity than you make but no, you buy the liberal rhetoric and ignore the liberal results.
 
greengirl77 said:
CNN Poll: Republicans would bear the brunt of shutdown blame - CNN.com

Like we all did not see this coming!!
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The GOP did "bear the brunt" after the 1995 shutdown. The situation was a bit different: there was no post-Crisis massive skepticism of government, Gingrich was not well like by anyone, and the economy was in pretty good shape, making things much easier for Clinton and Co.
The polls were showing that Republicans are blamed for the 21-day shutdown by overwhelming margin.

So...what was their punishment, exactly? Well, come elections, they have lost 3 seats. Not 103, not 33. Just 3. And retained the House majority, for the first time since the Roaring Twenties.
 
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calamity said:
It is what it is. I'm not thrilled about paying in at a rate of roughly $150k every ten years. I'd rather keep the money. That's for sure. But...

I'd rather pay a few bucks than see millions of people your age panhandling and suffering from untreated diseases when I walk down the street. So, we subsidize them all the way to their grave...which, of course, is expensive as hell.
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So then the fact that we have so many dependent after spending so much doesn't resonate with you? This is what happens when you count on a federal bureaucrat to solve a state or local issue. Do you really think that federal bureaucrat knows about a problem in downtown Dayton, Ohio and can solve it? Think
 
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Grant said:
At one time family and neighbors helped each other, a concept loosely defined as "Christian Charity". Now it seems we cannot help each other anymore, the government has to do it for us or we starve, or die on the streets. I'm not sure this is progress.
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Something has gone very wrong. The numbers currently on disability are absolutely astonishing. It'll get worse before it gets better. All those overweight people aging is going compound an already huge problem.
 
Mithros said:
I'm not sure it's a great idea to call the idea that producers charge what the market will bear "ridiculous".
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.... and the market will bear it because?

(Hint: It has to do with the money supply)
 
Cyrylek said:
The GOP did "bear the brunt" after the 1995 shutdown. The situation was a bit different: there was no post-Crisis massive skepticism of government, Gingrich was not well like by anyone, and the economy was in pretty good shape, making things much easier for Clinton and Co.
The polls were showing that Republicans are blamed for the 21-day shutdown by overwhelming margin.

So...what was their punishment, exactly? Well, come elections, they have lost 3 seats. Not 103, not 33. Just 3. And retained the House majority, for the first time since the Roaring Twenties.
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It was the first chink in Gingrich's armor. By 98, he was out as speaker.
 
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calamity said:
Something has gone very wrong. The numbers currently on disability are absolutely astonishing. It'll get worse before it gets better. All those overweight people aging is going compound an already huge problem.
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Yes, that's a real possibility.

When that time comes perhaps we will learn to help each other once again. Or there could be rioting in the streets and lengthy periods of general looting and mayhem. Choose your neighborhood well. )
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Where should my wife's money for years of work and forced contributions into SS go? The point is you have no idea where that money is going but do when it goes to the family, is donated to charity you definitely would know where it went. Liberalism is a disease where you and others think with your heart instead of your brain and thus are incapable of admitting that you are wrong. Rather sad and yet this is what you want Republicans to compromise with? How do you compromise with totally lunacy?

You think Republicans don't want to help that single Mom? how many of those single moms are there and do we need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Budget to help her. Why do we need a Federal Bureaucrat spending the money and solving local and state issues?

You think a Federal Bureaucrat is better prepared and knowledgeable about state and local issues than a state and local representative? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt, millions of Americans on Food stamps and over a 100 million Americans dependent on some form of Federal taxpayer assistance so why aren't you asking where is that liberal compassion and results?

You think SS and Medicare money are going to the needy? You don't think that either me or my wife understand charity? I probably give more to charity than you make but no, you buy the liberal rhetoric and ignore the liberal results.
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$3.77 Trillion doesn't go to single moms :roll: We spend barely 1/2 a Trillion on that sort of thing. IIRC, $1.5 T went to SS and Medicare while about a full T went toward defense. The rest (.77t) gets split to pay interest and other operations.
 
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calamity said:
$3.77 Trillion doesn't go to single moms :roll: We spend barely 1/2 a Trillion on that sort of thing. IIRC, $1.5 T went to SS and Medicare while about a full T went toward defense. The rest (.77t) gets split to pay interest and other operations.
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That is the budget "your" President submitted so if we don't spend it on that single mom, whose fault is it? If we people starving on the streets, whose fault is that? You have no idea what you are talking about, the Defense budget is 700 billion dollars, SS and Medicare are self funded. I have posted the line items over and over but you ignored them yet continue to spout claims like this one. You are wrong and cannot admit it. Where should my wife's SS go? Think she collected the amount she contributed? How many others are like that? You need to think with the brain God gave you not solely with your heart.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, that's a real possibility.

When that time comes perhaps we will learn to help each other once again. Or there could be rioting in the streets and lengthy periods of general looting and mayhem. Choose your neighborhood well. )
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I'd like to know why we waste $150 B on dept of agriculture subsidizing food that makes everyone fat and unhealthy. That, IMO, is the root of our problem.
 
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calamity said:
I'd like to know why we waste $150 B on dept of agriculture subsidizing food that makes everyone fat and unhealthy. That, IMO, is the root of our problem.
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Fat and unhealthy is an individuals problem, or it was until Obamacare arrived.. Subsidizing millionaires is the nations problem. Any idea how Springsteen or Turner voted?

Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Ted Turner get over $30bn in tax subsidies EVERY YEAR | Mail Online

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=bb1c90bc-660c-477e-91e6-91c970fbee1f
 
calamity said:
It was the first chink in Gingrich's armor. By 98, he was out as speaker.
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Who cares what happened to Gingrich? (Certainly not me, or any libertarian on this forum).

The question was: Are Republicans going to suffer politically, as a result of their refusal to surrender in 2013, with the government shutdown as a consequence?

"If history is any guide" - not really.
 
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Grant said:
Fat and unhealthy is an individuals problem, or it was until Obamacare arrived.. Subsidizing millionaires is the nations problem. Any idea how Springsteen or Turner voted?

Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Ted Turner get over $30bn in tax subsidies EVERY YEAR | Mail Online

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=bb1c90bc-660c-477e-91e6-91c970fbee1f
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Ah, welfare for the rich. There's a lot of that going around.
 
Cyrylek said:
Who cares what happened to Gingrich? (Certainly not me, or any libertarian on this forum).

The question was: Are Republicans going to suffer politically, as a result of their refusal to surrender in 2013, with the government shutdown as a consequence?

"If history is any guide" - not really.
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My guess is the shutdown will not matter to anyone in 2014. However, if we default, that will open up a whole new can of worms and whoever gets the blame for that will suffer consequences.
 
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calamity said:
I'd like to know why we waste $150 B on dept of agriculture subsidizing food that makes everyone fat and unhealthy. That, IMO, is the root of our problem.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between your income taxes and their use vs. SS and Medicare taxes and their use. You are contributing your money into a SS account, if you pass away before getting that money where should it go?
 
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Conservative said:
You don't seem to understand the difference between your income taxes and their use vs. SS and Medicare taxes and their use. You are contributing your money into a SS account, if you pass away before getting that money where should it go?
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To those who don't pass away. Duh. That's how it works. It's like the lottery. For some, like you, it's a jackpot. You'll probably receive back multiple times more than you paid in. For others...those who lost, it was a complete waste of money. If anything SS will be harmed because there will be too few losers: too many people are living too long, not the other way around.

Why are you whining about something that just is?
 
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calamity said:
To those who don't pass away. Duh. That's how it works. It's like the lottery. For some, like you, it's a jackpot. You'll probably receive back multiple times more than you paid in. For others...those who lost, it was a complete waste of money. If anything SS will be harmed because there will be too few losers: too many people are living too long, not the other way around.

Why are you whining about something that just is?
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No, it is about answering the damn question, It is your money, you do understand the concept right? Where should your SS money go if you aren't able to collect on all that you contributed plus a return on that so called investment? I know why you won't answer the question because you simply cannot admit you are wrong on any issue.
 
Conservative said:
No, it is about answering the damn question, It is your money, you do understand the concept right? Where should your SS money go if you aren't able to collect on all that you contributed plus a return on that so called investment? I know why you won't answer the question because you simply cannot admit you are wrong on any issue.
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You're really bitter that you can't get more of the government goodies, aren't you?

The system is set up actuarially like a pension. You die a year into getting pension benefits...too bad. You live til your 110, you hit the jackpot.
A Pension does the same thing, just run by a private firm. I guess this is all new infotmation for you....sorry if you're shocked or anything.
 
Threegoofs said:
You're really bitter that you can't get more of the government goodies, aren't you?

The system is set up actuarially like a pension. You die a year into getting pension benefits...too bad. You live til your 110, you hit the jackpot.
A Pension does the same thing, just run by a private firm. I guess this is all new infotmation for you....sorry if you're shocked or anything.
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No, actually I am bitter that there are this many people that ignorant. What govt. goodies? SS and Medicare are self funding, paid for by individuals, yes, even you. It isn't even close to a pension but more like a self contributory 401k. You have no concept of contributing your own money as demanded by the govt. and not expecting a return back. What did you contribute to your pension other than your time?

I don't know whether to cry or laugh when I read your posts. this one is just completely ignorant
 
Conservative said:
No, actually I am bitter that there are this many people that ignorant. What govt. goodies? SS and Medicare are self funding, paid for by individuals, yes, even you. It isn't even close to a pension but more like a self contributory 401k. You have no concept of contributing your own money as demanded by the govt. and not expecting a return back. What did you contribute to your pension other than your time?

I don't know whether to cry or laugh when I read your posts. this one is just completely ignorant
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So it's a 401k where the money disappears. Now I know why you always seem confused.

I actually contributed a percentage of salary into my state pension when I worked for the University. In the private sector, when they stopped the pension they compensated by upping 401k contributions.
 
Threegoofs said:
So it's a 401k where the money disappears. Now I know why you always seem confused.

I actually contributed a percentage of salary into my state pension when I worked for the University. In the private sector, when they stopped the pension they compensated by upping 401k contributions.
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So when you pass away where does your 401k go? 401k's are contributory,normally pensions are not. Light bulb going off yet?
 
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calamity said:
It's an entitlement that suffers now because of the impending boomer retirements. We simply have too many people drawing money who never teally paid in their fair share. By 2030, the bulk of them will begin dying, and we'll have more workers per retiree again.
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Uh, yeah. The economy will collapse before your dreams of utopia become realized.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Uh, yeah. The economy will collapse before your dreams of utopia become realized.
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Actually it is their dreams of utopia that will collapse the economy with all that spending "in the name of compassion" without ever generating positive results only massive debt.
 
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Conservative said:
Actually it is their dreams of utopia that will collapse the economy with all that spending "in the name of compassion" without ever generating positive results only massive debt.
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So what was compassionate conservatism all about?
 
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