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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    I blame the electorate and others who don't bothrer to vote. We continue to re elect the same people, both parties, that get us in these messes. Then we act suprised or angry that they happen. BTW, if non essential jobs are going to shut down why do we have them in the first place?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why not? a delay? what's wrong with that?
    Let me guess...... next year another delay? And after that? Ray Charles can see this coming a mile away and he is both dead and blind.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    I haven't looked past the OP yet but I wouldn't be surprised if some people called into question the scientific accuracy of this poll since after all this is a CNN poll. Many people operate from a premise that poll data is inaccurate and is skewed by the perceived biases of the organization that conducts the poll. In the case of CNN because they're not a conservative activist media outlet and as such have been assigned the label "left-wing media."

    I acknowledge that might happen some of the time but when it does that organization has chosen to flush its credibility down the toilet. When it happens, the level of disappointment I have cannot be expressed and I consider such organizations to be bold-faced liars never to be trusted again. Almost as disappointing is the culture of expectation many people have that the purpose of a scientific poll is to affirm the support for a particular issue or candidate and you can tell in advance what the polling results will be by seeing who conducted the poll. In their thinking accuracy is irrelevant as long as its close. What counts in supposed "scientific polls" in their thinking is affirming the positions of their core audience.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why not? a delay? what's wrong with that?
    The healt care bill should not be a bargaining chip used in a debate over funding the government.

    What I don't understand is why republicans are so insistent on killing the affordable care act, why not try to improve it legislatively?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why not? a delay? what's wrong with that?
    Obamacare will reduce the deficit. I thought Conservatives wanted deficit reduction. Now you want to delay reducing the deficit?
    CBO: Repealing Obama healthcare law will increase budget deficit - The Hill's Floor Action
    The House last voted for full repeal in July 2012 following the Supreme Court's decision to uphold the healthcare law.
    That month, the nonpartisan CBO said that eliminating the law's expensive coverage provisions would be more than offset by repealing its taxes, fees and Medicare cuts, resulting in a deficit increase.
    Elmendorf returned to this analysis Wednesday in his letter to Ryan. He guessed that savings from repealing the law's healthcare benefits would be somewhat higher than before, but that the cost of repealing its revenue provisions would also be higher.
    Recently, the CBO reported an overall decrease in the budget deficit that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) attributed to healthcare reform.
    The office also said yesterday that the law's unpopular taxes and mandates will affect fewer people and businesses than previously thought. This will raise less revenue to fund the law and increase the net cost of its coverage provisions by $40 billion over 10 years, the CBO said.


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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    The funny thing is, it isn't their fault.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let me guess...... next year another delay? And after that? Ray Charles can see this coming a mile away and he is both dead and blind.
    If the bill is so good, why are there thousands upon thousands of waivers ignoring its requirements? Why did businesses get a year reprieve from their requirements, but individuals did not?

    In the end, precedence has been set, and whomever is in the Oval Office can by decree waive implementation.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Part of the problem for Republicans is something I mentioned here during this Lost Weekend on DP.

    The Democrats have one main speaker and he is Barack Obama and he will command coverage any time he wants, it will be favorable coverage, and he's taken advantage of it.

    The Republicans don't have that advantage and that was me obvious just yesterday.
    They trotted out a passel of Congresspeople yesterday to briefly explain what they did and to blame Harry Reid for a possible shutdown.
    They even put Congresswomen front & center.
    All well and good.
    But ... they did it AFTER the Sunday morning news shows.
    WTF !!!!!!!
    They need to get it together or they'll be rolled again regardless of the majority sympathetic to their side.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The healt care bill should not be a bargaining chip used in a debate over funding the government.

    What I don't understand is why republicans are so insistent on killing the affordable care act, why not try to improve it legislatively?
    I would suggest the Democrats have done nothing to improve the unilateral plan they are forcing citizens to accept because their end game to the whole process is single payer.

    That's the real question. It's there plan, and they've done nothing to address the glaring problems.

    Why not? Why haven't they offered anything?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    I blame the electorate and others who don't bothrer to vote. We continue to re elect the same people, both parties, that get us in these messes. Then we act suprised or angry that they happen.
    People like THEIR congressman, they just want everybody else's to be voted out.


    BTW, if non essential jobs are going to shut down why do we have them in the first place?
    Understanding the meaning of non-essential. Would there be an emergency crisis if such and such agency closed down for a few days? The passport office is a good example. But you can't let them stay closed forever unless you want open borders. Should West Point and Annapolis or at least their grounds keeping staff be sent home forever? Should we permanently close down the Washington Monument, The Lincoln Memorial and cancel all future grounds-keeping of Arlington National Cemetery?
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