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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you agree with Congress voting themselves exempt from having to be involved in the law?

    So you agree with a tax on Wheelchairs that has to date sent 40,000 jobs overseas?

    So you think it is ok for the law to be changed by Presidential fiat 19 times to help his friends, and political allies?

    I don't think you are being honest here Rob, with all due respect. If this were a repub in the Presidency, and controlling the Senate, and there was a law passed that you knew would hurt the country further, and change our fundamental make up, I doubt you'd be just sitting on the side lines rubber stamping the tyranny of the majority either....
    Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

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    No. Republicans cannot choose to simply fund portions of the law that they don't like. The proper way would be to try to bring changes in the law through legislation. However, they know that they don't have the backing to do that so they are resorting to gamesmanship and essentially to holding a gun to the head of the American public. It is immature and childish and the teabaggers are destroying what is left of the GOP's credibility.
    Sure they can. You just dont like it. And constantly using sexual slurs is destroying your credibility.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
    Holding up funding for a law that both political party's agree has major issues is what's going on. The delay was ignored and the last CR forcing Congress and their staff to use the same program as the rest of America was ignored. What's happening is more protectionism for Obamacare - protect it at any cost and be damned with the American people and doing the right thing. That also is not legislating, that is far left buffoonery.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Holding up funding for a law that both political party's agree has major issues is what's going on. The delay was ignored and the last CR forcing Congress and their staff to use the same program as the rest of America was ignored. What's happening is more protectionism for Obamacare - protect it at any cost and be damned with the American people and doing the right thing. That also is not legislating, that is far left buffoonery.
    No that is not what's going on. Obamacare is up and running today. They are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else. Nothing to do with the law they don't want. This is a last ditch effort by the GOP to appease their corporate masters because obamacare will be accepted, welcomed and used by the people no matter how much disinformation gets put out there. And when testimonials start pouring in over the next few years... You just watch the GOP deny everything they are doing here and pretend to embrace it.

    This is the life of the republican. Fight the people, get their asses handed to them by the people then pray that a time elapse will erase peoples' memories.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    No that is not what's going on. Obamacare is up and running today.
    Not if it isn't funded. If it is up and running, where's the money being siphoned from... medicare?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    They are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else. Nothing to do with the law they don't want. This is a last ditch effort by the GOP to appease their corporate masters because obamacare will be accepted, welcomed and used by the people no matter how much disinformation gets put out there. And when testimonials start pouring in over the next few years... You just watch the GOP deny everything they are doing here and pretend to embrace it.
    Do you have a link for the last CR that went to the Senate showing "They (The House of Rep) are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else." ?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    This is the life of the republican. Fight the people, get their asses handed to them by the people then pray that a time elapse will erase peoples' memories.
    What I find ironic is that when Obama says "no", he's winning. When Republicans say "no", they are extremist right-wing obstructionists. They hypocrisy doesn't get much better than this.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
    Yes, elections do have consequences...That is what the newly elected members in the house, and senate that you and your friends so affectionately call 'teabaggers' were elected to do....The tyranny I speak of is not extreme, nor overt, but rater a soft tyranny. When you use mindless rhetoric like 'elections have consequences', what you are really saying is 'we won, so sit down and shut up, we don't have to listen to you.' And it is this latest pablum from the left about Obamacare being passed by congress, signed by Obama, and upheld by the SCOTUS, that is frightening to those of us that want to see the constitution upheld.

    Look, just because you had a super majority, locked out the minority party in the constructing of this law, then used double speak to get the SCOTUS to declare it a tax, when the whole damned time up to then you argued that it wasn't now you want to rest on that? Really? This was **** from its very start, and needs to be killed before it becomes just another entitlement that can't be touched, and adds to the others that progressives put into place, and have racked up over a $120 Trillion in unfunded liability.

    I have said it before, and I will continue to say it...Progressives are dangerous.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
    Yes, we do have elections, the House is the "People's House" and was part of that election. they are charged with undoing Obamacare or at least making it fair for all Americans. Seems the only elections that matter to you are the President and the Senate. The "People" won the election, the nation lost especially when the corrupt big cities carried the states for this incompetent President

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
    You don't see a problem here, cutting funding for one piece of legislation shuts down the govt. for a President who has yet to have a budget enacted? We are operating on CR's because we have an incompetent President who negotiates with contributors and his base but not the Representatives of the "People."

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, we do have elections, the House is the "People's House" and was part of that election. they are charged with undoing Obamacare or at least making it fair for all Americans. Seems the only elections that matter to you are the President and the Senate. The "People" won the election, the nation lost especially when the corrupt big cities carried the states for this incompetent President
    but the people in the big cities vote as well? or do they don't count in the grand scheme of things?

    besides it was not like the republicans kept thier majority just because more people voted for them.

    In 1996, House Democrats also won the popular vote but remained in the minority (kind of)

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    Look, just because you had a super majority, locked out the minority party in the constructing of this law, then used double speak to get the SCOTUS to declare it a tax, when the whole damned time up to then you argued that it wasn't now you want to rest on that?
    Really? This was **** from its very start, and needs to be killed before it becomes just another entitlement that can't be touched, and adds to the others that progressives put into place, and have racked up over a $120 Trillion in unfunded liability.
    I have said it before, and I will continue to say it...Progressives are dangerous.
    Yes, just because THE PEOPLE elected a President Twice.. and super majority once...
    and the 5-4 Conservative Supreme Court upheld the law. (the Conservative Chief Justice, writing The opinion), DOES Mean it IS Law.

    You do NOT Change law by blackmailing funding for the Government.
    That simply is NOT the way it is done.. except by the Tea Party Clowns who just hate Obama and anything he does.

    These Bigots keep wanting to "take back the country"... from a Twice elected govt! WTF?
    Health Care Mandates Were a GOP idea.. until Obama liked them.

    You paint this section with the worst partisan Garbage imaginable.. with FauxNews/NYPost/Daily Mail, etc.
    The Murdoch Tabloids, alas, are the best thing you spray paint. It gets even worse/Blog after that.
    And your 'logic' is as bad as your sources.
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