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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Too bad for you that the American people see the truth on this one.....by overwhelming numbers.
    And I am one of them that doesn't like the shutdown, as a general rule to force these idiots to do their jobs. But, let's not be fooled into whom is causing this....

    If you have two sides, and one side is feverishly trying to offer different things to avoid something bad, and the other is just intransigent, and obstinate on taking any action at all, then any reasonable person knows it is the side not offering anything that is the cause of the problem.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And I am one of them that doesn't like the shutdown, as a general rule to force these idiots to do their jobs. But, let's not be fooled into whom is causing this....

    If you have two sides, and one side is feverishly trying to offer different things to avoid something bad, and the other is just intransigent, and obstinate on taking any action at all, then any reasonable person knows it is the side not offering anything that is the cause of the problem.
    Are you serious? That is akin to a kidnapper "working feverishly" trying to offer different things to "negotiate" a resolution. There is NOTHING to negotiate here. That is what you are missing. The ACA was PASSED INTO LAW....by BOTH houses of Congress. It was signed into law. It was UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. Period. Now the teabaggers, because everything else has failed, are putting a gun to America's head and saying unless you negotiate what is now the law....we are going to shut down the government. It is gamesmanship at its worst and fortunately, America sees right through this ploy and isn't buying it. There is nothing to negotiate here. Why would we ever negotiate with a kidnapper or a terrorist? Essentially that is the type of situation we have here. Sorry Charlie.....
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you serious? That is akin to a kidnapper "working feverishly" trying to offer different things to "negotiate" a resolution. There is NOTHING to negotiate here. That is what you are missing. The ACA was PASSED INTO LAW....by BOTH houses of Congress. It was signed into law. It was UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. Period. Now the teabaggers, because everything else has failed, are putting a gun to America's head and saying unless you negotiate what is now the law....we are going to shut down the government. It is gamesmanship at its worst and fortunately, America sees right through this ploy and isn't buying it. There is nothing to negotiate here. Why would we ever negotiate with a kidnapper or a terrorist? Essentially that is the type of situation we have here. Sorry Charlie.....

    We don't live in a dictatorship here in the US...Much as you'd like it to be so. Sorry Charlie yourself.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We don't live in a dictatorship here in the US...Much as you'd like it to be so. Sorry Charlie yourself.
    Doh!....are you serious? How is a bill passing both houses of a democratically elected Congress, signed into law...and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States after a Constitutional challenge akin to a "dictatorship"?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    or they could shut down the Government, and people will start to realize that it has little to no effect on them.
    That's what I find ironic.

    There will be almost nothing noticed in everyone's day to day lives.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But the people voted in mostly democrats. So wouldnt this be what you get when democrats are in charge?
    How do you mean? In the senate?

    Between the house and senate, there are 253 democrats and 278 republicans.

    How is it that the people voted mostly democrats?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We don't live in a dictatorship here in the US...Much as you'd like it to be so. Sorry Charlie yourself.
    Obama waves all his pals and cronies. It's total lawlessness.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Citizen's United was not congressional action. Completely different. I disagree with the USSC holding in the case, but I wouldn't support shutting down the government. I would hope that Congress will take measures to neuter large corporation funding of our elections.
    Isnt that what Republicans are doing by refusing to fund a law? Why is it that its ok for congress to change something you dont like, but not ok for Republicans to change something they dont like?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    How do you mean? In the senate?

    Between the house and senate, there are 253 democrats and 278 republicans.

    How is it that the people voted mostly democrats?
    Because all legislation requires 3 approvals. Democrats control 2 of them. The people voted for a democrat president to approve legislation. A democrat Senate to approve legislation, and a Republican House. By a narrow margin, which means the federal govt is mostly run by Democrats. And so this is what you get when you vote in democrats.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Isnt that what Republicans are doing by refusing to fund a law? Why is it that its ok for congress to change something you dont like, but not ok for Republicans to change something they dont like?
    No. Republicans cannot choose to simply fund portions of the law that they don't like. The proper way would be to try to bring changes in the law through legislation. However, they know that they don't have the backing to do that so they are resorting to gamesmanship and essentially to holding a gun to the head of the American public. It is immature and childish and the teabaggers are destroying what is left of the GOP's credibility.
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