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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I think the "D's" will lose badly.
    after the Carter administration disco died and the right had a brief fling,
    not this time we will get more of the same hopey changey crud
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    let the mandate take effect.
    yes rolling over has really worked out well so far?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Repubs will get the blame (tea party), they had an entire election to overthrow both houses, and to put in a new president. Sorry it didn't happen (I didn't vote for Obama or Romney for President, I left that option blank).

    Holding operations of government hostage is wrong, especially when this is a stunt so that they can try to look strong to their base when it is re-election time. I was a Republican, now I am independent, the party left me when the tea party came in and lowered the civil discourse to what we have now, just a bunch of sound bite and bumper sticker statements. The party has no room for moderates any more, so I am happily out of the party.
    Do you think the Democrats are different?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Repubs: "trash obamacare or we will shut down the government"
    Dems: "ok"

    Next year

    Repubs: "trash medicare or we will shut down the government"


    Obvious is obvious.

    Congress is supposed to deliberate and pass laws. Obamacare was deliberated and passed and upheld in the SCOTUS. This isn't congress doing that. It is as they are saying, holding the country hostage, putting our economy in jeopardy just to throw a temper tantrum because they can't win elections. It is the epitome of putting party before country.
    So you agree with Congress voting themselves exempt from having to be involved in the law?

    So you agree with a tax on Wheelchairs that has to date sent 40,000 jobs overseas?

    So you think it is ok for the law to be changed by Presidential fiat 19 times to help his friends, and political allies?

    I don't think you are being honest here Rob, with all due respect. If this were a repub in the Presidency, and controlling the Senate, and there was a law passed that you knew would hurt the country further, and change our fundamental make up, I doubt you'd be just sitting on the side lines rubber stamping the tyranny of the majority either....
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    1. So the debt doubled under Bush II (5 trillion to 9.3 trillion). Under Obama it has gone from 9 to 16, meaning it will double again by the time he is out. The increase from 9 to 16 is in a large part the due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that were started under Bush II. If you subtract 6 trillion from the amount the debt will be by the time Obama is out and the interest on the 9.3 trillion debt Obama inherited, it indicates the debt is nil.

    Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says - Washington Post
    Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says
    The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.

    2. The link you gave me does not show the GDP prior to 2010. Obama took office in 2008. But from 2010 to present the GDP has increased; which means USA is producing more. So USA is going the right direction there, and I cannot see if GDP rose under Bush II.

    3. The truth about unemployment. Bill Clinton gave Bush II a 2.4% unemployment. While in office, Bush ran that up to 7.4% (while doling out a $700 billion bailout). Since Obama took office it went as high as 9.4%, but it is back to 7.8% which is almost what Bush II ran it up to. So the big culprit is the POTUS that ran it from 2.5% to 7.2% more so than the POTUS who went from 7.2% to 7.8%.
    Fact Check: Is unemployment rate higher since President Obama took office? | Connecticut 5th District
    Fact Check: Is unemployment rate higher since President Obama took office?
    In the past 30 years, the unemployment rate was as high as 7.2 percent in November 1982 before dipping to a low of 3 percent in November 1987; the next bust resulted in 7.4 percent unemployment in March 1992 during President George H.W. Bush’s administration before a steady recovery to a record low unemployment of 2.1 percent in Sept. 2000 when President Bill Clinton was in office.
    Starting in Jan. 20, 2001, at the beginning of George W. Bush’s administration, the rate was 2.4 percent, but by the time he left in January 2009 it had reached 7 percent, following the near collapse of the financial services industry and a government bailout of $700 billion in Oct. 2008 because of the subprime mortgage crisis.
    Barack Obama assumed office on Jan. 20, 2009 with the 7 percent rate, which continued to grow to 9.4 percent in August 2010, a three-decade high, and only started to slowly go down throughout 2011 to 8 percent in January 2012 and now to 7.8 percent in February.
    You have no concept of the budget line items as the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars are part of the debt that Bush generated and are in the deficit each year. Stop buying the rhetoric. We didn't start the Afghanistan war, 9/11 did. Costs listed aren't yearly costs but are over a longer period of time so divide that number and you will see it in the VA budget line item. By the way, here are those line items which generate the deficits or surplus.

    Expenses

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce/Housing Cr
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest
    TARP was a loan and has been mostly paid back so why wasn't that payback credited against the Bush deficit

    You obviously spent no time on the BEA.gov sites because it will give you GDP growth by month. Learn how to use the site and stop posting media reports. The media has no clue nor do they do any investigative reporting at all. From BLS.gov. what does this chart tell you about Obama unemployment?

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS13000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level
    Labor force status: Unemployed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 2000 to 2010
    Unemployed
    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov
    2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639
    2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003
    2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520
    2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576
    2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932
    2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566
    2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883
    2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284
    2008 7678 7491 7816 7631 8395 8578 8950 9450 9501 10083 10544
    2009 12049 12860 13389 13796 14505 14727 14646 14861 15012 15421 15227
    2010 14953 15039 15128 15221 14876 14517 14609 14735 14574 14636 15104
    2011 13919 13751 13628 13792 13892 14024 13908 13920 13897 13759 13323
    2012 12748 12806 12686 12518 12695 12701 12745 12483 12082 12248 12042
    2013 12332 12032 11742 11659 11760 11777 11514 11316

    Discouraged workers
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608
    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282
    2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096
    2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979
    2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988 816

    Unemployed + Discouraged
    2008 8145 7887 8217 8043 8795 8998 9411 9831 9968 10567 11152
    2009 12783 13591 14074 14536 15297 15520 15442 15619 15718 16229 16088
    2010 16018 16243 16122 16418 15959 15724 15794 15845 15783 15855 16386
    2011 14912 14771 14549 14781 14714 15006 15027 14897 14934 14726 14419
    2012 13807 13812 13551 13486 13525 13522 13597 13327 12884 13061 13021
    2013 13136 12917 12545 12577 12540 12804 12502 12132 0 0 0
    You obviously don't understand the unemployment rate and what creates that rate. The reported rates don't count discouraged workers in that report so the chart I showed you does. You tell me if Obama had a better unemployment record than Bush?

    What Obama has done is created a permanent long term unemployed class due to poor economic policies and failure to understand the private sector economy just like apparently you do. Look at the discouraged workers during the Bush term vs. Obama. At BLS.gov, look at the labor force growth during the Bush term vs. Obama. Stop looking at the reported rate and get the data that goes into that rate.
    I am sorry, but it appears that you want to buy what you are told and not do the research. Obama has been a disaster and just SHUT down the govt. with his time of dictatorial management style.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The Republicans came back with another demand.
    No, the House after Demo's in the Senate rejected the first offer, came back with a compromise. First, the House in their CR had the repeal of the law, that failed the Senate, then they came back and said, ok, you won't pass repeal, and we both know that the law is flawed, so let's take care of what we know has bi partisan support to repeal, and that is the Med device tax, lets hold off on implementation for one year, and lets make sure that we in congress have to follow the same law that we passed for the people.

    Now, this is the very definition of compromise, but what did we hear from Harry Reid?

    Reid: No negotiations with GOP on government funding, debt ceiling | The Daily Caller

    "No negotiations on CR, or Debt Ceiling"... That's Bull ****! Who the hell is to blame for this shut down? Reid, Obama, and all you demo's that couldn't care less about the constitution, or normal order.

    They haven't put anything on the table in exchange and their "or else" is essentially allowing the Democrats to watch the Republican Congressman be eviscerated in the polls.
    They certainly have....It is Harry Reid and the demo's screaming "No changes, or else!"

    I can only hope that the people are smarter than you give them credit for.

    I'd be happy to watch the GOP implode.
    I am sure you would, because that is what authoritarian progressives like yourself have always wanted, is one party control, that way you can turn this country into a Socialist, banana republic, quasi dictatorship with all the control like Venezuela, or Cuba.

    Or they could actually compromise, sweeten the pot, and offer the Democrats something big enough to match what they are asking for.
    We did compromise, but thanks for admitting that it is the progressive liberals in the Senate that are responsible for the shutdown. By saying what you did in this sentence you admit that it is demo intransigence over their unwillingness to even come to the table in trying to fix Obamacare, regardless of the lip service they vomit over the willing accomplice press, that means they own this shutdown.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have no concept of the budget line items as the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars are part of the debt that Bush generated and are in the deficit each year. Stop buying the rhetoric. We didn't start the Afghanistan war, 9/11 did. Costs listed aren't yearly costs but are over a longer period of time so divide that number and you will see it in the VA budget line item. By the way, here are those line items which generate the deficits or surplus.



    TARP was a loan and has been mostly paid back so why wasn't that payback credited against the Bush deficit

    You obviously spent no time on the BEA.gov sites because it will give you GDP growth by month. Learn how to use the site and stop posting media reports. The media has no clue nor do they do any investigative reporting at all. From BLS.gov. what does this chart tell you about Obama unemployment?



    You obviously don't understand the unemployment rate and what creates that rate. The reported rates don't count discouraged workers in that report so the chart I showed you does. You tell me if Obama had a better unemployment record than Bush?

    What Obama has done is created a permanent long term unemployed class due to poor economic policies and failure to understand the private sector economy just like apparently you do. Look at the discouraged workers during the Bush term vs. Obama. At BLS.gov, look at the labor force growth during the Bush term vs. Obama. Stop looking at the reported rate and get the data that goes into that rate.
    I am sorry, but it appears that you want to buy what you are told and not do the research. Obama has been a disaster and just SHUT down the govt. with his time of dictatorial management style.
    And that is only if you take the BLS data at face value....Demo's changed what counts as a job after 2010 in preparation for this moment in time. Mort Zuckerman summed this past weekend....

    JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, HOST: More Cruz on ObamaCare.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    SENATOR TED CRUZ (R-TEXAS): When you have a law that is killing jobs, when you have law that is hammering small businesses, when you have a law that is forcing people into part-time work, into working 29 hours a week, when you have a law that is causing skyrocketing insurance premiums, when you have a law that is causing more and more people to lose their health insurance, you have a law that’s not working. You have a train wreck.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    MCLAUGHLIN: Question Mort Zuckerman, is Cruz right?

    MORT ZUCKERMAN, US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT: Well, I checked with the Bureau of Labor Statistics just this very day and they said that 88 percent of the jobs that have been created this year are part-time jobs. A large part of the reason for that number of part-time jobs which is unprecedented in American history is because people are apprehensive about the impact of ObamaCare on and the costs of ObamaCare on full-time jobs. If they’re part-time jobs they don’t qualify under ObamaCare.

    Now, I happen to support national medical service, national medical care, but we have to do something about its effect on the job market because this is a disaster for the average American family.



    Read more: Mort Zuckerman: Because of ObamaCare '88% of Jobs Created This Year Are Part-Time' | NewsBusters
    So all these reports, and mouth foaming from the progressive (or destructive) left over the past year about how the economy is back, and humming along creating jobs, and growing is all smoke and mirrors....

    News flash for these destructo demo's....PART TIME JOBS, ARE NOT JOBS THAT COUNT!

    88%...Jesus! What a joke, or nightmare depending on where you are.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
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    Republicans came back with another demand. They haven't put anything on the table in exchange and their "or
    else" is essentially allowing the Democrats to watch the Republican Congressman be eviscerated in the polls. I'd be happy to watch the GOP implode. Or they could actually compromise, sweeten the pot, and offer the Democrats something big enough to match what they are asking for.
    or they could shut down the Government, and people will start to realize that it has little to no effect on them.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

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    That never gets old

    hah

    Glad he is dead personally didnt he arm terrorist!

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Glad he is dead personally ...
    What a vile display.
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