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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

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    That is your opinion but as usual you look at the small picture and not the big one which is downstream and what that product would do after getting to the refineries.
    yeah but the pipeline doesn't feed our oil supply, it allows transcanda a route for it's oil to the gulf of mexico.

    now if only we could get taxes on the oil pipeline itself.

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Nixon created the EPA
    True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.
    in response to massive pollution problems that cropped up from lack of regulation.
    There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.

    The idea that we will go back to polluted rivers and air because we "can't afford it" is a prime example of your sides dinosaur status.
    Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.

    We will cut our military to the bone long before we even think of cuts like that. Spending more on Defense than all other nations combined is not sustainable. I think even the need for a "standing army" is questionable.
    Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Didn't I hear the same thing about 2012?
    Really?

    Do you have trouble with vocabulary?

    Was it yet implemented to the point it is scheduled to be by the 2016 elections?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Rather interesting that once again you doubt the numbers I post and claim they are unfounded. try buying a hamburger in Japan and see what it costs.

    Why are Retail Prices in Japan so High?: Evidence from German Export Prices

    Is there anything that anyone can post that would convert you from a liberal? Obviously results don't matter
    So now it is not Japans inflation rate, but the cost of a hamburger in Tokyo that proves they have too much debt?
    How small minded of you. There are plenty of reasons for the high cost of beef in Japan but their debt is not one of them.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you notice that the state of Arizona and the state of S. Dakota paid the Federal Govt. to keep the Grand Canyon and Mt. Rushmore open. Amazing what can be done when the govt. contracts out operations.
    Good for Brewer for getting that done. She was initially given a "hell no" to open things on the state's dime.

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.

    There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.


    Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.



    Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.
    the problem is that environmental issues impact multiple states at the same time.

    consider the Mississippi river and how many states it pass's through. states have to share the same natural resources, for example the usage of water from the Colorado river, or the great lakes.

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    MessiahCare Propaganda Money and Appropriations Bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not appropriations that we're talking about. And no, the good guys are not the ones holding out. And no, the nation will not be better off. You feel this way because you believe the false hyperbolic narrative. That saddens me, but you do.
    It is appropriations. By now haven't all of the appropriations bills been passed by the House and sent to the Senate for action?

    If the propaganda funds for MessiahCare are not in there then no new money can be spent. The next step is to delegate the massive amount of money the criminals, I mean the Democrats stuffed into the authorizing legislation. Let us hope, for the sake of the nation, that the House Republicans have the courage for this fight.

    I want to have slaves as much as the next guy but really, should I be allowed to have two or three men and/or women above the age of 26 have to work hard so I reap the benefits? I think not.

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.

    There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.


    Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.



    Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.
    Why do you think going back to the same failed policies is always the answer? The States failed at policing pollution and the EPA was created. Don't we have enough problems without repeating ones we have already fixed?

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the problem is that environmental issues impact multiple states at the same time.

    consider the Mississippi river and how many states it pass's through. states have to share the same natural resources, for example the usage of water from the Colorado river, or the great lakes.
    If the EPA had limited itself to resolving issues between the states I might support it.

    It is now deeply involved in bankrupting all non-Obama approved energy companies. We need to rid ourselves of this monster in return for a debt ceiling increase. Dollar for dollar.

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Why do you think going back to the same failed policies is always the answer? The States failed at policing pollution and the EPA was created. Don't we have enough problems without repeating ones we have already fixed?
    Like all government agencies this one has become a Master rather than a servant. It is time to kill it. If the problem is fixed then there is no longer a need for the monster.

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