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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

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    Sounds good to me. Privatize them.
    I like that idea or contracting management out to the states and let them privatize the management.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Which country does that? I don't think there is a western nation that has no debt or does not run deficits every year. Why is it that you think they are all being irresponsible? What makes you the decider?
    Name for me a Western thriving growing economy that has debt 100% of GDP? You don't seem to understand what effect that high of a debt has on economic activity. Sure looks like nothing ever changes the mind of an Obamabot or liberal.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. Really it is. Legislation by appropriation has occurred from the beginning. There have been times when I hated it. This time I like it.

    Call it what you want. If it slows down the rolling tyranny I am for it. I am cheering for the nation. I am cheering for the House Republicans. Let us hope they do not cave.
    They lost the vote. They lost the court battle. Now they are just holding their breath to get their way. It's not the process. It's childish.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Name for me a Western thriving growing economy that has debt 100% of GDP? You don't seem to understand what effect that high of a debt has on economic activity. Sure looks like nothing ever changes the mind of an Obamabot or liberal.

    US debt is something like 75% of GDP.

    Belgium and France are doing just fine with 100% ratios.

    Japan, while not thriving and growing, mostly due to demographic problems, has debt over 200% of GDP. They're not collapsing, are they?
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    Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Which country does that? I don't think there is a western nation that has no debt or does not run deficits every year. Why is it that you think they are all being irresponsible? What makes you the decider? What if cutting spending is not an option? Is raising taxes to cover the deficit worth doing? Or would you rather have some deficits?
    There were only three things the federal government may tax us for. The first two are to pay our debts and to provide for the common defense. This does not say we can bankrupt the nation and its taxpayers for every silly idea someone in the federal government has.

    Let's get back to basics. It is time to begin eliminating every government program that doesn't logically and directly result from one of the enumerated powers. Social security and Medicare have no constitutional basis. It is time to end them. The EPA has no basis. Education. No basis. There are nearly 500 independent agencies today. Most of them have no constitutional basis for their existence. It is time to shed them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They lost the vote. They lost the court battle. Now they are just holding their breath to get their way. It's not the process. It's childish.
    Complain all that you want. Appropriations are part of the process. And in this case the good guys are holding out. Let us all hope they continue. The nation will be better off.

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    The goal is mediocrity

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    US debt is something like 75% of GDP.

    Belgium and France are doing just fine with 100% ratios.

    Japan, while not thriving and growing, mostly due to demographic problems, has debt over 200% of GDP. They're not collapsing, are they?
    We are at 100% or more. And none of the countries you listed are doing just fine. They are mediocre at best. Is that your goal for the US?

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    Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There were only three things the federal government may tax us for. The first two are to pay our debts and to provide for the common defense. This does not say we can bankrupt the nation and its taxpayers for every silly idea someone in the federal government has.

    Let's get back to basics. It is time to begin eliminating every government program that doesn't logically and directly result from one of the enumerated powers. Social security and Medicare have no constitutional basis. It is time to end them. The EPA has no basis. Education. No basis. There are nearly 500 independent agencies today. Most of them have no constitutional basis for their existence. It is time to shed them.
    Which Constitutional law class did you fail?

    Heck- in 1798, Congress and John Adams passed a healthcare bill for merchant seamen. Taxing every ship to pay for it. I'm pretty sure many of those guys actually WROTE the Constitution....
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    US debt is something like 75% of GDP.

    Belgium and France are doing just fine with 100% ratios.

    Japan, while not thriving and growing, mostly due to demographic problems, has debt over 200% of GDP. They're not collapsing, are they?
    Sorry but that is a lie, public debt plus intergovt. holdings exceed 100% of our yearly GDP

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    I am sure that France is more in turn with your economic model of high taxes and low economic growth

    Taxation in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And I am sure you would love paying $8 a gallon for gasoline. Those of you that believe socialism is free are sadly mistaken

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Complain all that you want. Appropriations are part of the process. And in this case the good guys are holding out. Let us all hope they continue. The nation will be better off.
    It's not appropriations that we're talking about. And no, the good guys are not the ones holding out. And no, the nation will not be better off. You feel this way because you believe the false hyperbolic narrative. That saddens me, but you do.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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