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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your buzzer is barking up the wrong tree. Your posts ignore the fact that conservative justices tend to be slaves to precedent but you never admit that your beloved FDR justices violated, ignored, folded, spindled and mutilated more than a century of precedent to allow the odious New Deal excrement to remain standing. Your 70 years was based on a rape of over 100 years of settled law
    The reality is that every Court since the New Deal has decided in favor of the very programs that you hate and loathe.

    The reality is that every Congress since the New Deal has supported them with legislation and funding.

    The reality is that every President since FDR has given them their blessing with their signature on legislation.

    It was your precious conservatives who formed the one vote majority in Citizens United. One recent decision decided by a slim one vote. So much the previous law.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, sure did, but that would entail taking SS and Medicare off budget and reducing the unfunded liabilities and I certainly wouldn't give the bureaucrats another unfunded liability in ACA
    should have added the "....ss and medicare ....." before you hit 'post'... and 15%? you are aware that kind of cut all at once would deliver a hard blow to the economy, right? lots of people would be out of work, across multiple industries and sectors, alot of your favorite defense contractors would take a major hit, and state budgets would take a hit as the amount of federal dollars returning home would shrink...perhaps you should re-think the whole 15% thing. maybe consider a more balanced approach, a mix of cuts and revenue increases.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    should have added the "....ss and medicare ....." before you hit 'post'... and 15%? you are aware that kind of cut all at once would deliver a hard blow to the economy, right? lots of people would be out of work, across multiple industries and sectors, alot of your favorite defense contractors would take a major hit, and state budgets would take a hit as the amount of federal dollars returning home would shrink...perhaps you should re-think the whole 15% thing. maybe consider a more balanced approach, a mix of cuts and revenue increases.

    Your opinion noted just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works. Govt spending isn't the largest component of GDP but it is growing under Obama. We don't need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt., Take out SS and Medicare which is self funded by the payroll taxes so take the 1 trillion off the 3.7 trillion dollars and cut it 15%

    22 million are out of work now and Obama has done nothing to create the incentive to put those people back to work, Cutting spending would put debt service money back into the economy. I don't think a 405 billion decrease in the size of the govt. is going to hurt the economy and it is going to send a positive message to the private sector that the govt. isn't going to increase taxes. We need more revenue but we need it from those not working. We have a spending problem that has created a revenue problem due to reducing incentive for the private sector to create jobs. ACA is a job killer, higher taxes are a job killer, EPA regulations is a job killer.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works. Govt spending isn't the largest component of GDP but it is growing under Obama. We don't need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt., Take out SS and Medicare which is self funded by the payroll taxes so take the 1 trillion off the 3.7 trillion dollars and cut it 15%

    22 million are out of work now and Obama has done nothing to create the incentive to put those people back to work, Cutting spending would put debt service money back into the economy. I don't think a 405 billion decrease in the size of the govt. is going to hurt the economy and it is going to send a positive message to the private sector that the govt. isn't going to increase taxes. We need more revenue but we need it from those not working. We have a spending problem that has created a revenue problem due to reducing incentive for the private sector to create jobs. ACA is a job killer, higher taxes are a job killer, EPA regulations is a job killer.
    your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.
    I noted that opinion !

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.
    Same argument during the Reagan years due to the policies of reducing taxes. According to liberals that would take too much out of the economy. What that did however was create 17 million new taxpayers, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in income tax revenue, and a peace dividends. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is the best stimulus a private sector economy can ever have. Higher taxes, bigger govt. and creation of more entitlement programs is never the answer.

    Perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research on your own and stop spewing what the leftwing elites tell you.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Same argument during the Reagan years due to the policies of reducing taxes. According to liberals that would take too much out of the economy. What that did however was create 17 million new taxpayers, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in income tax revenue, and a peace dividends. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is the best stimulus a private sector economy can ever have. Higher taxes, bigger govt. and creation of more entitlement programs is never the answer.

    Perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research on your own and stop spewing what the leftwing elites tell you.
    way off topic, and not addressing what was asked...you honestly don't think that taking the axe out and chopping 15% off the budget in one fell swoop won't have consequences? seriously? you are showing an alarming lack of understanding of our economy. perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research and stop spewing what the right wing elites tell you ( see, i can still do this to, want to keep it up?)

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    way off topic, and not addressing what was asked...you honestly don't think that taking the axe out and chopping 15% off the budget in one fell swoop won't have consequences? seriously? you are showing an alarming lack of understanding of our economy. perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research and stop spewing what the right wing elites tell you ( see, i can still do this to, want to keep it up?)
    Only in the liberal mind, people who think that we don't spend enough. You and your ilk have run up a 6.4 trillion dollar debt and now have a problem with a 400 billion cut in Federal spending? I don't think I would be spouting that someone else doesn't understand the economy and what the components of GDP are. You are apparently safe in your job but there are 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today plus millions and millions on food stamps and other taxpayer assisted programs.

    The Obama Administration and liberal elites love having people like you carry the water for them as you buy what you are told and ignore the actual results. Like all good little Obamabots cutting the waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C. is taking an axe and will starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Economic growth is a foreign concept to liberals like you.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in the liberal mind, people who think that we don't spend enough. You and your ilk have run up a 6.4 trillion dollar debt and now have a problem with a 400 billion cut in Federal spending? I don't think I would be spouting that someone else doesn't understand the economy and what the components of GDP are. You are apparently safe in your job but there are 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today plus millions and millions on food stamps and other taxpayer assisted programs.

    The Obama Administration and liberal elites love having people like you carry the water for them as you buy what you are told and ignore the actual results. Like all good little Obamabots cutting the waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C. is taking an axe and will starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Economic growth is a foreign concept to liberals like you.
    But wait it is not the role of government to create jobs.....?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The reality is that every Court since the New Deal has decided in favor of the very programs that you hate and loathe.

    The reality is that every Congress since the New Deal has supported them with legislation and funding.

    The reality is that every President since FDR has given them their blessing with their signature on legislation.

    It was your precious conservatives who formed the one vote majority in Citizens United. One recent decision decided by a slim one vote. So much the previous law.
    And the reality is that the United States is $17,000.000.000.000 in debt with obligations extending past $70 trillion more.

    Adults would point out that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. But when you encourage people to remain adolescents all their lives then that is just how they'll respond. The government is now your mama and daddy.

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