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Thread: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Yeah. The comment I made was very vague and could apply to any enemy. I never intended to offend you. I do apologize for that.

    Even if I thought you were the enemy I am not really that good at proving things. I have tried it before and my proof always ends up being ignored. Just relax. I have only been using these forums for about 3 hours. I haven't had time to built any dislike for anybody. I may hate you in the future but right now I don't have any prejudices for anybody posting in these forums.

    Honestly I meant no harm or criticism towards you.

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    The point is, before you accuse someone of something, read what they have said or at least offer up proof. I could take a look at your post (or profile seeing you conservative) and make up generalizations as well. All people are different and if all you do is look at ONE post or their lean, you are likely to miss many things and especially congress as a WHOLE both sides.

    Since you say you are new here (3 hours), I'll give you a little about myself. I am against what the GOP is doing, however, I don't agree to how the Dems have handled things either. I don't like Obama (didn't vote for him in 2012 or any Dem), don't like Obamacare, don't like the bailouts, don't like the handling of how IRS did thing, but I was against Bush, didn't like "free speech zones" under him, don't like the patriot act, don't like Iraq, and didn't like the bailouts he did either. I'm sure I'm missing things from both sides that I hated.

    Point being, while I didn't like Bush and how he handled things, I don't how Obama has done things either. I am against the duopoly of the Dem/Rep rule on the government and hate how BOTH sides have handled things.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I am against I don't agree I don't like don't like don't like don't like I was againstdidn't like don't like don't like didn't like I'm sure I'm missing things that I hated.

    I didn't like I don't how I am against and hate BOTH sides
    I have learned a lot about you.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I have learned a lot about you.

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    If all you learned about me is what you quoted from me above, you didn't learn a whole hell of a lot. Real students of learning ASK questions, they don't assume and short hand. If you have a REAL desire to learn about people and the world, you would ASK and not just ASSume.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Here is a question:

    Do you hate everything which would include me?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, I haven't seen any articles you've written for JAMA, so I think I'll take Aaron Carroll's opinion over yours.
    Why not just come up with one of your own?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who understand irony would note that invoking supreme court decisions as proof something is RIGHT, means you have to accept it when the USSC makes decisions your posts complain about.
    BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!

    there is that loud buzzer again telling you a foul has been committed by you. I am NOT basing anything on just a Supreme Court decision as you are with Citizens United. I am basing it upon over 70 years of many different things combined including over 70 years of American jurisprudence, action by over 36 different Congresses of the United States who have repeatedly and consistently passed legislation for the very programs you claim are unconstitutional, as well as the past 12 United States Presidents from both political parties who have supported these programs and have repeatedly signed the legislation for these programs into law.

    That is a whole hell of a lot more than just a one shot recent Supreme Court decision like Citizens United.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!

    there is that loud buzzer again telling you a foul has been committed by you. I am NOT basing anything on just a Supreme Court decision as you are with Citizens United. I am basing it upon over 70 years of many different things combined including over 70 years of American jurisprudence, action by over 36 different Congresses of the United States who have repeatedly and consistently passed legislation for the very programs you claim are unconstitutional, as well as the past 12 United States Presidents from both political parties who have supported these programs and have repeatedly signed the legislation for these programs into law.

    That is a whole hell of a lot more than just a one shot recent Supreme Court decision like Citizens United.
    your buzzer is barking up the wrong tree. Your posts ignore the fact that conservative justices tend to be slaves to precedent but you never admit that your beloved FDR justices violated, ignored, folded, spindled and mutilated more than a century of precedent to allow the odious New Deal excrement to remain standing. Your 70 years was based on a rape of over 100 years of settled law



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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If all you learned about me is what you quoted from me above, you didn't learn a whole hell of a lot. Real students of learning ASK questions, they don't assume and short hand. If you have a REAL desire to learn about people and the world, you would ASK and not just ASSume.
    Interesting since I continue to ask what it is about liberalism that creates the kind of loyalty we see here today with people ignoring the Obama results and buying the Obama rhetoric except of course the following

    The Quote of the Decade:

    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
    Obamabots always only listen to what Obama says and not what Obama has done. Now we hear that times were different back then and Obama was voting against failed economic policies. The reality is back then the debt to GDP wasn't 100% nor was it 100% when Bush left office, but it is today. Obama then claims that raising the debt ceiling doesn't raise the debt

    Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase Our Debt,' Though It Has 'Over 100 Times' | CNS News

    We had this debate in 2011 when the debt was 14.7 trillion, the debt ceiling was raised and today the debt is 16.7 trillion. How could the debt rise to 16.7 trillion if we didn't raise the debt ceiling?

    My solution, agree to cut govt. spending 15% across the board in consideration for raising the debt ceiling for 6 months and make those cuts mandatory.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting since I continue to ask what it is about liberalism that creates the kind of loyalty we see here today with people ignoring the Obama results and buying the Obama rhetoric except of course the following

    The Quote of the Decade:



    Obamabots always only listen to what Obama says and not what Obama has done. Now we hear that times were different back then and Obama was voting against failed economic policies. The reality is back then the debt to GDP wasn't 100% nor was it 100% when Bush left office, but it is today. Obama then claims that raising the debt ceiling doesn't raise the debt

    Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase Our Debt,' Though It Has 'Over 100 Times' | CNS News

    We had this debate in 2011 when the debt was 14.7 trillion, the debt ceiling was raised and today the debt is 16.7 trillion. How could the debt rise to 16.7 trillion if we didn't raise the debt ceiling?

    My solution, agree to cut govt. spending 15% across the board in consideration for raising the debt ceiling for 6 months and make those cuts mandatory.
    HMMMMM....across the board eh? and that includes defense spending right? you did say 'across the board' correct?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    HMMMMM....across the board eh? and that includes defense spending right? you did say 'across the board' correct?
    Yep, sure did, but that would entail taking SS and Medicare off budget and reducing the unfunded liabilities and I certainly wouldn't give the bureaucrats another unfunded liability in ACA

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