This thread seems quite large.
There's this much to talk about, regarding the gov shutdown?
No, I didn't read the thread. Well, I read the mod warnings.
Personally, I think it's the fault of all of em. And by extension, all of us.
And we're making it worse.
They know we're all watching them atm. They know whoever gives in will at the least have some issues come reelection time.
So I think this will take awhile to work out.