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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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    Unless you want to argue that Ron Paul didn't say let the uninsured die, it's just not our responsibility to give them the help they need to live.
    He didnt say, "let them die". Did he? Why did you lie? You think if you tell the same lie enough, that people will believe it?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Here is more polling results from this AM

    By Cathleen Decker
    October 11, 2013, 4:00 a.m.
    For Republicans, the last 10 days have felt like falling down a darkened elevator shaft: You want to hit bottom, but wonder about the odds of survival.
    In what has become an almost daily occurrence, Thursday night brought another poll showing the damage the party has suffered as a result of the government shutdown. A new NBC News/Wall street Journal poll found that the partyís popularity had dropped and Americans were far more likely to blame them for the goings-on in Washington than their Democratic opponents.
    A recap:
    --Only 24% of Americans had a favorable view of Republicans, the lowest figure in the pollís multi-year history and four percentage points lower than last month. Another low: only 21% had a favorable view of the tea party.
    --President Obamaís standing was relatively stable, the pollsters said, moving from 45% favorable last month to 47% now, within the pollís margin of error of 3.5 points. Democrats overall were at 39% positive, with congressional Democrats at 36%.
    --70% of Americans said Republicans were putting politics ahead of what was best for the country. A lesser 51% said that about Obama.


    The gap seems to have grown a bit as for blame between the Republicans and the Democrats. What should stand out is this is also hurting the president as the last sentence above states. Okay, we know about 70% who think Republicans are putting politics over country, but now a majority of Americans think the president is doing the same thing. Granted 51% is way behind the 70% mark. But folks, it can't be good for the president to be seen as one who puts politics over country.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Reagan spent his way out of his recession like he was told, I don't hold it against him for that. It's denying that he did that is reprehensible. He also raised taxes so that alone makes him far better than GW Bush who buried us with debt from his ridiculous tax cuts.
    How did he raise taxes?

    Doesn't congress pass such bills? All he did was approve or disprove of legislation. Marginal tax rates went down under Reagan. Can you please show me how I am in error?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He didnt say, "let them die". Did he? Why did you lie? You think if you tell the same lie enough, that people will believe it?
    He did not use the words "let them die". He asked why is that his problem?

    This is like a man standing on the shore next to a life raft watching another man drown. You ask the man standing on the shore, "Why are you letting the other man drown? Do you want him to drown". And the first man says' I'm not letting him drown, it's simply not my responsibility to throw the life raft.

    He may not have used those exact words, but there is absolutely no other explanation for what Ron Paul said. There are uninsured people that need medicine or they'll die. There are only three possible choices. 1) All of the insured people pay more to cover the uninsured (the previous system), 2). Everyone pays and everyone is insured, 3). We let them die.

    Ron Paul wants #3. Own it. Don't pretend you don't believe something because it's not a political winner.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We have run deficits for 63 of the last 73 years. You tell me. What is the norm? What good does paying down debt do for the US economy?
    I was replying to the claim that the WWII generation never paid down the debt. I think I successfully proved that to be a false statement.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The Founders also thought black people were only worth 3/5ths of a human being for redistricting purposes. So don't quote the hallowed 'Founding Fathers' to me on this issue.
    Not all of them. Southern slaveholders certainly shared your view that slaves should have been counted the same as any other person.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The founders were interested in creating a government, the Tea party is only interested in wrecking ours.
    I see the ones wreaking our economy as the ones who pass out other people's money.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Don't drag conservatives into this. I said that the TEA PARTY is interested in wrecking government. And yes, the TEA PARTY wants all of those things. Remember the GOP primaries? The TEA PARTY cheered when Ron Paul said let the uninsured die.

    Conservatism is a serious political philosophy. It is not nihilism. Conservatives are interested in making government work better. You are not a conservative.
    You need to see that in context. What you repeated gives a false representation of what he said.

    Keep it up, and people might think you are a liar.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die - YouTube

    Unless you want to argue that Ron Paul didn't say let the uninsured die, it's just not our responsibility to give them the help they need to live.
    Wow...

    I don't think you watch that. Else you are pretty bad at understanding what people say.

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