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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are right, demographic changes play no part in the district changes nor do personal growth and experience of the voters. The large cities still remain the liberal strongholds and still influence the Senate and Presidential races but the grass roots are still at the district level. Do people like you ever accept responsibility for the failures of having any original thoughts and only demonizing the opposition?

    The hatred for the T.E.A. Party is a media generated phenomenon so my question to you is why wouldn't anyone who believes in the Founding principles of this country not support the T.E.A. Party? You call average Americans that don't walk the party line nuts. Could it be that definition really belongs on you?
    The founders were interested in creating a government, the Tea party is only interested in wrecking ours.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The founders were interested in creating a government, the Tea party is only interested in wrecking ours.
    Aw, yes, just like the typical liberal rhetoric that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt today showing that liberalism doesn't work so continue with the insane rhetoric.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The Founders also thought black people were only worth 3/5ths of a human being for redistricting purposes. So don't quote the hallowed 'Founding Fathers' to me on this issue. Your comments on 'liberal bastions' is the usual right wing nonsense. What we really need to do is have those bastions of conservatism contribute their fair share to the economy and stop sucking the 'liberal bastions' dry.
    No, they didn't. It was a compromise. The war between North and South has it's origins in the colonies. And great, as long as you accept that the rural red counties will no longer be feeding or supplying resources to the urban blue counties. Have fun feeding your family from your windowsill garden.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I see, so raising the debt ceiling didn't give Congress and the President more money to spend? Interesting logic. Bet you are great in a candy store.

    I believe if we implemented the Ryan budget in 2011 we wouldn't need a debt ceiling increase today in 2013. I don't believe we would be funding ACA which is spending money we don't have. This is 2014 budget we are talking about and no spending has occurred outside of what is mandated and the govt. takes in enough money per month to pay for those obligations.
    For all you talk about the founding principles, you don't know squat about the way the government actually works.

    Article 1: Section 8: Clause 1:
    Congress spends the money, not the president.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The Founders also thought black people were only worth 3/5ths of a human being for redistricting purposes. So don't quote the hallowed 'Founding Fathers' to me on this issue. Your comments on 'liberal bastions' is the usual right wing nonsense. What we really need to do is have those bastions of conservatism contribute their fair share to the economy and stop sucking the 'liberal bastions' dry.
    Nice diversion that has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of Representation. Keep spreading that liberal misery every else as I am sure that liberal utopia is out there somewhere. With a 17 trillion dollar debt, wonder how much it is going to take to create that utopia that you think exists? You are right about the fair share argument, people who are paying taxes aren't paying their fair share whereas 50% of the income earning families that aren't paying FIT are. That must be liberal logic. You see, apparently it is greed to a liberal for people to keep more of their money but not for Congress and the President to create a 17 trillion dollar debt and claim that isn't enough. You don't think it is greed for politicians to claim people that are paying all the FIT aren't paying enough?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You haven't read. :P

    The debt ceiling doesn't create more debt, it PAYS for it. Debt is created from budget deficits. If you add up all of our deficits, you end up with the debt.
    Wrong! According to the left Obama has cut the deficit, so if your miscomprehension of the subject were correct we wouldn't need to be raising the debt ceiling now would we?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    For all you talk about the founding principles, you don't know squat about the way the government actually works.

    Article 1: Section 8: Clause 1:
    Congress spends the money, not the president.
    Great, tell that to the Department Heads that the President appoints and supervises. Congress appropriates the money, you don't know the difference.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    For all you talk about the founding principles, you don't know squat about the way the government actually works.

    Article 1: Section 8: Clause 1:
    Congress spends the money, not the president.
    No, that would be you who doesn't understand, as you've demonstrated here. The president submits the budget, congress holds the purse strings. The president proposes, congress enacts.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, yes, just like the typical liberal rhetoric that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt today showing that liberalism doesn't work so continue with the insane rhetoric.
    Don't drag conservatives into this. I said that the TEA PARTY is interested in wrecking government. And yes, the TEA PARTY wants all of those things. Remember the GOP primaries? The TEA PARTY cheered when Ron Paul said let the uninsured die.

    Conservatism is a serious political philosophy. It is not nihilism. Conservatives are interested in making government work better. You are not a conservative.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Great, tell that to the Department Heads that the President appoints and supervises. Congress appropriates the money, you don't know the difference.
    Do you know what appropriate means?

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