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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The Republican House is Republican because of gerrymandering. It has nothing to do with the will of the people. 2012 was a +2pt year for Democrats in the house and yet Republicans held the house. This was the only 4th time in 100 years that had happened.

    Because of the way the districts are drawn up, Democrats now need a +10pt year to have a 50/50 shot at taking back the house. To put that in perspective, the 1994 wave was a +7pt Republican victory.

    In short, it is essentially impossible for the Democrats to control the house until 2022.
    I hear that a lot, I am sure glad there was no gerrymandering when the Democrats controlled the House for the 40 years prior to the GOP taking over. Isn't it amazing how individuals never fit into your equation? People think and people vote. The liberal ideas have turned a lot of people off and the liberal results are an example of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again(throwing money at the problem) and expecting different results.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This President does nothing but talk which apparently is good enough for people like the Obamabot supporters. I understand leadership more than most here and those that do understand exactly where I am coming from. Obama controls what Harry Reid pushes in the Senate and the reality is that Obama has yet to submit a budget with any spending cuts nor proposed any policies that would put the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers back to work FULL time paying "their fair share" in FIT. Obama is not only carrying the umbrella but has also poked holes in it. Last debt ceiling debate was supposed to cut spending and here we are two years later with 2 more trillion in debt. That wasn't supposed to happen but somehow this time things are supposed to be different?
    How do you understand leadership?

    You are incapable of listening to any idea with which you don't already agree.
    You assume expertise on issues that are far outside of your depth.

    Simply being in a position of authority at some point in your life does not make you a leader.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    How do you understand leadership?

    You are incapable of listening to any idea with which you don't already agree.
    You assume expertise on issues that are far outside of your depth.

    Simply being in a position of authority at some point in your life does not make you a leader.
    The reason I was never a miserable failure is that I didn't do the same things over and over again expecting different results. I understand that leadership is about accepting responsibility and doing something about poor performance. Tell me exactly what Obama has done about his poor economic performance other than blame Republicans.

    What specific ideas have you or Obama proposed that are different from the past? Don't know about you but I learned from mistakes. In 2011 we had a debt ceiling debate and a President who then said that raising the debt ceiling wouldn't increase the debt, the debt then was 14.7 trillion and today it is 16.7 trillion. Isn't it time to examine your own position on the this issue and question how doing the same thing over and over again is going to generate different results?

    I have seen no expertise on this issue from you, so maybe I just missed it. Explain it to me

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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    I hear that a lot, I am sure glad there was no gerrymandering when the Democrats controlled the House for the 40 years prior to the GOP taking over. Isn't it amazing how individuals never fit into your equation? People think and people vote. The liberal ideas have turned a lot of people off and the liberal results are an example of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again(throwing money at the problem) and expecting different results.
    Gerrymandering has always existed. But it is now FAR worse. The average Democratic victory was ~35%. The average GOP victory was 28%. Districts are drawn to concentrate votes. And now less than 7% of all house districts are competitive.

    This is the scary thing that no one is reporting on. 204 House districts are drawn up to be more than 10pt GOP wins. That means that 47% of the house is subject to primary challenges from the tea party. The GOP is essentially guaranteed to be the majority in the house and they are currently not a governable party. Until the GOP leadership can get the tea party nuts to toe the line, then our country will continue to lurch from one fake crisis to another.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Democratic congressional candidates received about a million more votes nationally than did Republican candidates, yet the Republicans hold a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. The very definition of Gerrymandering.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Gerrymandering has always existed. But it is now FAR worse. The average Democratic victory was ~35%. The average GOP victory was 28%. Districts are drawn to concentrate votes. And now less than 7% of all house districts are competitive.

    This is the scary thing that no one is reporting on. 204 House districts are drawn up to be more than 10pt GOP wins. That means that 47% of the house is subject to primary challenges from the tea party. The GOP is essentially guaranteed to be the majority in the house and they are currently not a governable party. Until the GOP leadership can get the tea party nuts to toe the line, then our country will continue to lurch from one fake crisis to another.
    You are right, demographic changes play no part in the district changes nor do personal growth and experience of the voters. The large cities still remain the liberal strongholds and still influence the Senate and Presidential races but the grass roots are still at the district level. Do people like you ever accept responsibility for the failures of having any original thoughts and only demonizing the opposition?

    The hatred for the T.E.A. Party is a media generated phenomenon so my question to you is why wouldn't anyone who believes in the Founding principles of this country not support the T.E.A. Party? You call average Americans that don't walk the party line nuts. Could it be that definition really belongs on you?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Democratic congressional candidates received about a million more votes nationally than did Republican candidates, yet the Republicans hold a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. The very definition of Gerrymandering.
    Interesting logic which explains why the Founders created the People's House not wanting the big cities to control the election process. The big cities are still liberal bastions and if they have their way the entire country would follow their lead into bankruptcy

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The reason I was never a miserable failure is that I didn't do the same things over and over again expecting different results. I understand that leadership is about accepting responsibility and doing something about poor performance. Tell me exactly what Obama has done about his poor economic performance other than blame Republicans.

    What specific ideas have you or Obama proposed that are different from the past? Don't know about you but I learned from mistakes. In 2011 we had a debt ceiling debate and a President who then said that raising the debt ceiling wouldn't increase the debt, the debt then was 14.7 trillion and today it is 16.7 trillion. Isn't it time to examine your own position on the this issue and question how doing the same thing over and over again is going to generate different results?

    I have seen no expertise on this issue from you, so maybe I just missed it. Explain it to me
    You haven't read. :P

    The debt ceiling doesn't create more debt, it PAYS for it. Debt is created from budget deficits. If you add up all of our deficits, you end up with the debt.

    Hypothetically, lets assume that the GOP won all 3 branches of government. Lets say that the GOP would have been able to implement the Ryan Budget. (Remember that thing that everyone said was crazy?) We would still be increasing the debt limit now.

    The 2014 Ryan Budget is 967 Billion Dollars. The Senate CR is 986 Billion. The budget in 2010 was 1,185 Billion. We're talking about a 200 Billion dollar cut in government spending. That isn't a cut in the rate of growth, it's an actual 17% cut in government spending.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You haven't read. :P

    The debt ceiling doesn't create more debt, it PAYS for it. Debt is created from budget deficits. If you add up all of our deficits, you end up with the debt.

    Hypothetically, lets assume that the GOP won all 3 branches of government. Lets say that the GOP would have been able to implement the Ryan Budget. (Remember that thing that everyone said was crazy?) We would still be increasing the debt limit now.

    The 2014 Ryan Budget is 967 Billion Dollars. The Senate CR is 986 Billion. The budget in 2010 was 1,185 Billion. We're talking about a 200 Billion dollar cut in government spending. That isn't a cut in the rate of growth, it's an actual 17% cut in government spending.
    I see, so raising the debt ceiling didn't give Congress and the President more money to spend? Interesting logic. Bet you are great in a candy store.

    I believe if we implemented the Ryan budget in 2011 we wouldn't need a debt ceiling increase today in 2013. I don't believe we would be funding ACA which is spending money we don't have. This is 2014 budget we are talking about and no spending has occurred outside of what is mandated and the govt. takes in enough money per month to pay for those obligations.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting logic which explains why the Founders created the People's House not wanting the big cities to control the election process. The big cities are still liberal bastions and if they have their way the entire country would follow their lead into bankruptcy
    The Founders also thought black people were only worth 3/5ths of a human being for redistricting purposes. So don't quote the hallowed 'Founding Fathers' to me on this issue. Your comments on 'liberal bastions' is the usual right wing nonsense. What we really need to do is have those bastions of conservatism contribute their fair share to the economy and stop sucking the 'liberal bastions' dry.
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