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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Reverse the situation. What would you say if Speaker Pelosi refused to fund the government unless President Romeny and Majority Leader McConnell agreed to implement Medicare for everyone?
    Medicare is an entitlement created long ago, ACA is a new piece of legislation that hasn't even officially gone into effect yet. Apples and Oranges.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Medicare is an entitlement created long ago, ACA is a new piece of legislation that hasn't even officially gone into effect yet. Apples and Oranges.
    Medicare for ALL.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Medicare for ALL.
    Right, Medicare is an unfunded liability so no problem just add more debt to it, that is the liberal way

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Compared to 2008 it is.

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    Sow's ear? What would a reasonable person think?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Here is something to chew on dealing with party affiliation and where it stands now during the shutdown.

    With the shutdown in progress and new stats from Gallup on Party Affiliation, it is time to compare the in shutdown stats to those of last month, pre shutdown and to those of last November of 2012.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Sep 2013 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent
    Today 20% Republican 30% Democratic 47% Independent
    Note the Republican 10 point drop from 2012 and 2 point drop from pre shutdown. The Democrats has dropped 5 point from 2012 and 1 point from pre shutdown.Then there is the 11 point rise in the independent column from last year and a 2 point rise from last month.

    President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
    Sep 2013 41% Approval 52% Disapproval
    Today 44% Approval 50% Disapproval

    A 10 point drop in approval from last year, but a 3 point raise from pre shutdown. Perhaps the Republicans are doing the president a good deed.

    Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Sep 2013 14% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Today 11% Approval 82% Disapproval

    The only question here is how low can you go.

    The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

    Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election Day. Last month only 36% of independent view him favorably and number hasn’t changed. Still only 36% of independent view the president favorably today.

    I think these numbers are saying quite a lot of Americans are fed up with both parties, but view the Democratic Party as the least worst party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Here is something to chew on dealing with party affiliation and where it stands now during the shutdown.

    With the shutdown in progress and new stats from Gallup on Party Affiliation, it is time to compare the in shutdown stats to those of last month, pre shutdown and to those of last November of 2012.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Sep 2013 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent
    Today 20% Republican 30% Democratic 47% Independent
    Note the Republican 10 point drop from 2012 and 2 point drop from pre shutdown. The Democrats has dropped 5 point from 2012 and 1 point from pre shutdown.Then there is the 11 point rise in the independent column from last year and a 2 point rise from last month.

    President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
    Sep 2013 41% Approval 52% Disapproval
    Today 44% Approval 50% Disapproval

    A 10 point drop in approval from last year, but a 3 point raise from pre shutdown. Perhaps the Republicans are doing the president a good deed.

    Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Sep 2013 14% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Today 11% Approval 82% Disapproval

    The only question here is how low can you go.

    The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

    Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election Day. Last month only 36% of independent view him favorably and number hasn’t changed. Still only 36% of independent view the president favorably today.

    I think these numbers are saying quite a lot of Americans are fed up with both parties, but view the Democratic Party as the least worst party.
    Just goes to show that we are dealing with a very poorly informed public, one easily influenced by the mainstream media. Until interest rates rise the 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't mean much to those who view Obama favorably. With the media the way it is and the very poorly informed public I don't know how any Republican ever wins a national race.

    Sorry just too many Obamabots and too many dependent on the govt. today which doesn't bode well for my grandkids. Were it now for them I wouldn't give a damn about the debt or massive growth in the entitlements under Obama with more to come. The street thug incompetent from Chicago can still mesmerize the low information voter and people who aren't paying much in FIT while transforming this country into that new European socialist utopia liberals claim exists.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sow's ear? What would a reasonable person think?
    I am sure the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are extremely excited about the GDP numbers. What is absolutely amazing is that we had terrible economic numbers in 2008 and the govt. spending a trillion dollars and the best we can do is a 10% increase? Liberals have such low expectations.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show that we are dealing with a very poorly informed public, one easily influenced by the mainstream media. Until interest rates rise the 17 trillion dollar debt doesn't mean much to those who view Obama favorably. With the media the way it is and the very poorly informed public I don't know how any Republican ever wins a national race.

    Sorry just too many Obamabots and too many dependent on the govt. today which doesn't bode well for my grandkids. Were it now for them I wouldn't give a damn about the debt or massive growth in the entitlements under Obama with more to come. The street thug incompetent from Chicago can still mesmerize the low information voter and people who aren't paying much in FIT while transforming this country into that new European socialist utopia liberals claim exists.
    Your rhetoric as usual is pathetic and useless. There was a poll that showed the majority of people in the U.S. are CONSERVATIVE. Did it ever cross your mind that people are sick and tired of the crap from BOTH parties or can you only regurgitate "Obamabot" rhetoric?

    The simple matter is that while people may not like ACA, they also don't like the GOP strategy of shutting down the government for it. Maybe you and the other Duopolybots will eventually wake up and realize that while Dem plan A sucks, that doesn't automatically mean that GOP plan A is good.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Those 22 million folks aren't worrying about Repub talking points on GDP..
    They are worried about making ends meet every day, something Repubs are oblivious to.
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    CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So do I have this right, GW Bush created 4.9 trillion dollars I debt over 8 years and that justifies Obama creating 6.4 trillion in five?

    No. Because the debt was caused by the recession that happened in 08,09. Maybe you're too young to remember that.
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