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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Neither do they. While they do not negotiate the government will remain partially shut down. Why isn't this a good thing?


    Let's assume you are completely right that the Republicans did not fund the small additional amount to propagandize the ACA. Wouldn't it be equally correct to say the Democrats shut down the government because they did not get everything the Senate Democrats wanted?


    Do you believe this is stupid because it is working?


    So you believe the Republicans best position themselves to win elections by capitulating? Doesn't this seem strange to you?


    In your opinion when is the right time and what is the right strategy for standing up to tyranny?


    LOL. There is plenty of money to pay the interest on the debt. But there won't be enough money to fund all of the Left's darling projects. Why isn't this a win for the nation? Why should we ever fund the government?
    It doesnít really bother me that the government is shut down or not. I been through 17 of these and to me it really isnít a big deal. But I was commenting on whom I thought is to blame and it is the GOP tying that rider onto the CR.

    I personally have no use for Senator Reid, old party over country, McConnell is also that way. But what I was trying to say, is let the ACA kick in with worts and all, after a year it is the people who can decide by who or who doesnít control the senate. I also do not believe it is working. If the latest news I hear, Boehner has already dropped the defunding of the ACA and added other stuff that would make it more easy to negotiate.

    Capitulating, no. It is called picking the right time, the right place and have the right resources and perhaps the majority of the people on your side. Picking a fight should be well thought out which I have the impression this one was not. Using oneís head and avoiding a battle too soon that you are not prepared for is not capitulating, it is called living to fight another day.

    Yes I have argued that point about more than enough money to pay the interest and service the debt. If this country defaults, it wonít be because of money coming in. It will be because the treasury secretary or some other person put the wrong priorities on spending what was coming in. The interest payments should be made first and then use what left to fund necessary items in the government, not the nice to have items.

    But even so, when that rider was tied to the cr, Boehner and every republican in congress knew that it wasnít going to fly. To me, it showed me a total lack of political common sense on the GOP side of the aisle. Politics is said to be the art of the possible. Trying to do the impossible leads to bad choices and perhaps yes, capitulation or worse.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The Democrats have cut, waived, and suspended many parts of Obamacare already....all on their own. All they're worried about now is being punked.
    Your way out of date. There are no more demands to defund or delay Obamacare, the T's have moved on to entitlements. You have to keep up.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So the economy is booming?
    Compared to 2008 it is.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Those "mini-funding bills" have a name. They are appropriations bills and sending up one at a time is the way it was always done up until recently. Massive spending bills that no one reads are the road to tyranny which is why we are here. It is time to return to individual appropriations bills.

    Now is as good a time as any.
    That I can agree with. Personally I am fed up with both parties.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Name one rational person who thinks that raising the debt ceiling is "insane".
    Anyone that understands that having a 17 trillion dollar debt on a 16 trillion dollar economy!!! Why aren't you outraged over that debt? Aren't you rational?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anyone that understands that having a 17 trillion dollar debt on a 16 trillion dollar economy!!! Why aren't you outraged over that debt? Aren't you rational?
    How much of that 17 trillion dollar debt is a result of GWB's time in office? Let me give you a clue.....he started around 5 and ended around 11. Obama is certainly no friend to the debt, but he didn't create the entire 17 trillion himself. Your hero was responsible for a big chunk of it (something that you love to conveniently forget).
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How much of that 17 trillion dollar debt is a result of GWB's time in office? Let me give you a clue.....he started around 5 and ended around 11. Obama is certainly no friend to the debt, but he didn't create the entire 17 trillion himself. Your hero was responsible for a big chunk of it (something that you love to conveniently forget).
    4.9 trillion including 1 trillion due to 9/11. So let's see, Bush adds 600 billion per year, Obama 6.4 trillion in 5 years or 1.3 trillion per year. Looks like Obama has doubled the Bush debt. I guess coming from California you are insulated to deficits and debt not understanding either. why don't you explain to me what Obama has proposed to cut the yearly deficits and how raising the debt ceiling puts pressure on Congress and him to do that?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Compared to 2008 it is.

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    I know this is something you don't understand but Bush was in office for 8 years just like you want to focus on the low job creation during the Bush term but not the 5% unemployment rate. You have so much passion for liberalism in spite of poor economic numbers and the question is why?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Anyone that understands that having a 17 trillion dollar debt on a 16 trillion dollar economy!!! Why aren't you outraged over that debt? Aren't you rational?
    In other words, you can't name a single rational person who thinks that raising the debt limit is insane.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    4.9 trillion including 1 trillion due to 9/11. So let's see, Bush adds 600 billion per year, Obama 6.4 trillion in 5 years or 1.3 trillion per year. Looks like Obama has doubled the Bush debt. I guess coming from California you are insulated to deficits and debt not understanding either. why don't you explain to me what Obama has proposed to cut the yearly deficits and how raising the debt ceiling puts pressure on Congress and him to do that?
    More excuses and spin from you Con....why would we ever expect otherwise. Like I said, Obama is no saint when it comes to the debt, but make no bones about it....despite your spin, GWB took the debt from around 5 trillion to 11 trillion. That is simply the facts. Try as you might....you cannot change them.
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