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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    That's like saying that you're not paying the mortgage until your spouse agrees to stop buying Starbucks.
    I hope you are trying to be intellectually dishonest and don't believe what you just said.

    A mortgage is a set rate. If my mortgage company said they would shutdown my household if I didn't agree to a larger monthly payment than contracted for, I think I would have some legal action pending against them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    The Government doesn't sit down and say.. Oh, I need a new pen. I think I'll buy some at Staples. Oh shoot, I can't, my credit card was denied.
    How does this apply?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    Instead the government signs a contract with a supplier saying that they'll take x pens a month for y months at so much. Halfway through, the government can't pull out and say.. never mind.. That's too much. They have a legal obligation to meet their obligations. (Hence the name).
    This is the type of government stupidity we need to stop.

    I really hope you don't disagree...


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    The discretionary part of government spending is done when a new budget is passed. If you want to say that we need to cut spending, then do it then. Trying to cut government spending with the debt limit is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline... and saying.. well it 'looked' like water.
    Perhaps we shouldn't have any mandatory spending, except for what the constitution requires the government to do...

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You're not a very good liar.

    In the senate, no democrat votes were needed to pass in '03 0r '04. No republican votes were needed in '09.

    '02... leading to Iraq war, folloing 9/11.

    '07... following the recession...

    In the House, several republicans voted no. Lots on no votes when it only takes 215 to pass instead of 218...

    Where is ,03 for the house?

    '04... same as '02... passing with 208? Don't forget, we are still rebuilding after 9/11 and waring in Iraq.

    '05 and '06 House? Are you cherry picking by chance? Don't forget... Still at war...

    Where is the republican help to pass for '09 and '10...
    I'm a terrible liar. Which is why I avoid it.

    Those are the only stand alone debt ceiling votes. The house wrapped the debt ceiling vote into other bills for those years.

    And we're still at war, in case you've forgotten.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I hope you are trying to be intellectually dishonest and don't believe what you just said.
    A mortgage is a set rate. If my mortgage company said they would shutdown my household if I didn't agree to a larger monthly payment than contracted for, I think I would have some legal action pending against them.
    You have no idea how the debt works.

    The treasury had to pay 7.4 trillion dollars in maturing debt in fiscal 13. They issued another 8.1. Our debt is very much like an ARM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    This is the type of government stupidity we need to stop.

    I really hope you don't disagree...
    Perhaps we shouldn't have any mandatory spending, except for what the constitution requires the government to do...
    I really don't know what to say. Maybe you think you can just buy a new aircraft carrier at a super super WalMart, or maybe you just want to run the government out of a loose change fund.

    Large organizations spend money through contracts. These take months to set up and run for years.

    But please... call me a liar if it makes you feel better. God knows we'll all need the laughs if your band of nihilists has their say.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    I'm a terrible liar. Which is why I avoid it.
    Yet you still attept misdirection.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    Those are the only stand alone debt ceiling votes.

    The house wrapped the debt ceiling vote into other bills for those years.
    So why not include the votes on the amendment that included it in the passed bill?

    Too much work, or does it not show what you desire?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros
    And we're still at war, in case you've forgotten.
    The Iraq war was over for some time. The Afghanistan war should have ended around the same time. Obama is using military might in places he has no business in, starting with that first day he fired 112 cruise missiles into Libya.

    No excuse for this unethical action. In Iraq and Afghanistan, this was retaliation that was overwhelmingly agree to by both parties.

    Obama has routinely fired missile attacks into urban areas. There is no universally agreed definition for terrorism, but Obama's actions do classify as terrorism by some definition. Do you support this?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Anyone notice that Obama's numbers are sucking ass too? Legacy baby!!
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Yet you still attept misdirection.



    So why not include the votes on the amendment that included it in the passed bill?

    Too much work, or does it not show what you desire?



    The Iraq war was over for some time. The Afghanistan war should have ended around the same time. Obama is using military might in places he has no business in, starting with that first day he fired 112 cruise missiles into Libya.

    No excuse for this unethical action. In Iraq and Afghanistan, this was retaliation that was overwhelmingly agree to by both parties.

    Obama has routinely fired missile attacks into urban areas. There is no universally agreed definition for terrorism, but Obama's actions do classify as terrorism by some definition. Do you support this?
    Republicans Need a Graceful Exit Strategy, Now - Bloomberg

    This is an article from a conservative who hates Obama Care. Every point she makes is spot on.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Republicans Need a Graceful Exit Strategy, Now - Bloomberg

    This is an article from a conservative who hates Obama Care. Every point she makes is spot on.
    She bails too easily.

    Not someone i would want on any team I'm involved in.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I see no reason for the Democrats to negotiate.
    Neither do they. While they do not negotiate the government will remain partially shut down. Why isn't this a good thing?

    The shutdown occured because of the GOP House tied defunding of the ACA to the CR.
    Let's assume you are completely right that the Republicans did not fund the small additional amount to propagandize the ACA. Wouldn't it be equally correct to say the Democrats shut down the government because they did not get everything the Senate Democrats wanted?

    This was a stupid tactic that at the moment Boehner and company can't find a way out of it.
    Do you believe this is stupid because it is working?

    The Republicans would have been better served IMO, to pass the CR without the rider of defunding the ACA. then the chances in November of 2014 after a full year of the ACA with all it worts probably would have delivered the senate to their control.
    So you believe the Republicans best position themselves to win elections by capitulating? Doesn't this seem strange to you?

    IMO the republicans are engaging in this battle at the wrong time with the wrong strategy.
    In your opinion when is the right time and what is the right strategy for standing up to tyranny?

    With Boehner saying he wouldn't let the government default, why should the Democrats negotiate? All they have to do is wait until that time as they are banking on Boehner not being able to sleep at night if he did let the government default.
    LOL. There is plenty of money to pay the interest on the debt. But there won't be enough money to fund all of the Left's darling projects. Why isn't this a win for the nation? Why should we ever fund the government?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    She bails too easily.

    Not someone i would want on any team I'm involved in.
    Your team would be busy trying to dig out of a hole with a shovel.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Your team would be busy trying to dig out of a hole with a shovel.
    Your passion for liberalism is admirable but borders on obsession, why?

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