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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
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    Notice how the Debt Ceiling increases have always been a slim majority. Notice how just enough of the minority party will always cross over so it passes. The debt celling vote has always been a kabuki theater. The majority passes it, and the minority votes against it so they can score political points. The Democrats *could* have stopped the debt ceiling increase ever year of Bush's presidency.

    The Democrats **could** have said that they'll increase the debt ceiling if Bush ends the Iraq war. Had they done that, they would have been crucified as traitors, and justifiably so. The Full Faith and Credit of the United States isn't a concession to Obama any more than it was a concession to Bush. NO ONE has the right to give that up as a "concession".
    Again, you miss the point, but the concept is the same, with a reduction in spending there is no need to increase the debt ceiling and when the debt exceeds our GDP why would anyone support increasing the ceiling without mandatory spending cuts?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama had no problem making it partisan when he called the US President "unpatriotic". Senator Obama calls Bush "unpatriotic" for adding trillions to debt www.RightFace.us - YouTube
    right on bro..

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Again, you miss the point, but the concept is the same, with a reduction in spending there is no need to increase the debt ceiling and when the debt exceeds our GDP why would anyone support increasing the ceiling without mandatory spending cuts?
    That's like saying that you're not paying the mortgage until your spouse agrees to stop buying Starbucks.

    The Government doesn't sit down and say.. Oh, I need a new pen. I think I'll buy some at Staples. Oh shoot, I can't, my credit card was denied.

    Instead the government signs a contract with a supplier saying that they'll take x pens a month for y months at so much. Halfway through, the government can't pull out and say.. never mind.. That's too much. They have a legal obligation to meet their obligations. (Hence the name).

    The discretionary part of government spending is done when a new budget is passed. If you want to say that we need to cut spending, then do it then. Trying to cut government spending with the debt limit is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline... and saying.. well it 'looked' like water.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    The cracks are forming in the GOP shutdown... Counts show there is more than enough votes to pass a clean cr and now the gopmasters , koch brothers are loosening the reigns to help give them an out without a fear of a koch brother funded primary challenger.

    Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    That's like saying that you're not paying the mortgage until your spouse agrees to stop buying Starbucks.

    The Government doesn't sit down and say.. Oh, I need a new pen. I think I'll buy some at Staples. Oh shoot, I can't, my credit card was denied.

    Instead the government signs a contract with a supplier saying that they'll take x pens a month for y months at so much. Halfway through, the government can't pull out and say.. never mind.. That's too much. They have a legal obligation to meet their obligations. (Hence the name).

    The discretionary part of government spending is done when a new budget is passed. If you want to say that we need to cut spending, then do it then. Trying to cut government spending with the debt limit is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline... and saying.. well it 'looked' like water.
    you don't get it because you believe we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. we don't. Tell me what expenses the U.S. Govt. actually has to have. My mortgage is an expense that I choose to have but I pay the bill. SS is an expense that has to be paid, debt service has to be paid, VA benefits have to be paid, I believe our troops need to be paid and we have over 220 billion dollars coming into the govt. every month which is more than enough to pay those bills. The answer is simple. cut the size of govt. and mandate continued reductions and there is no need for a debt ceiling increase.

    There is no budget but the term discretionary is something you need to understand. Stop the discretionary spending and there is nothing to default on.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The cracks are forming in the GOP shutdown... Counts show there is more than enough votes to pass a clean cr and now the gopmasters , koch brothers are loosening the reigns to help give them an out without a fear of a koch brother funded primary challenger.

    Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
    The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The cracks are forming in the GOP shutdown... Counts show there is more than enough votes to pass a clean cr and now the gopmasters , koch brothers are loosening the reigns to help give them an out without a fear of a koch brother funded primary challenger.

    Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
    Youre posts are simply scary stupid... do you worship the Kenyan fraud as a form of religion?..

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.
    if we are going to base our arguments on the unpopularity of politicians or political instituions, consider the fact that Obama may have some bad approval ratings, at least he is not as unpopular as our current congresses.

    Congress' Job Approval Falls to 11% Amid Gov't Shutdown

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    if we are going to base our arguments on the unpopularity of politicians or political instituions, consider the fact that Obama may have some bad approval ratings, at least he is not as unpopular as our current congresses.

    Congress' Job Approval Falls to 11% Amid Gov't Shutdown
    Here we go again, please tell me what relevance Congressional approval ratings mean since Congressional elections are local in nature? You don't seem to understand the difference between the a nationally elected official and a locally elected official. Doubt that you have any impact on my Representative nor I with yours. Do you understand the difference?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
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    Notice how the Debt Ceiling increases have always been a slim majority. Notice how just enough of the minority party will always cross over so it passes.
    You're not a very good liar.

    In the senate, no democrat votes were needed to pass in '03 0r '04. No republican votes were needed in '09.

    '02... leading to Iraq war, folloing 9/11.

    '07... following the recession...

    In the House, several republicans voted no. Lots on no votes when it only takes 215 to pass instead of 218...

    Where is ,03 for the house?

    '04... same as '02... passing with 208? Don't forget, we are still rebuilding after 9/11 and waring in Iraq.

    '05 and '06 House? Are you cherry picking by chance? Don't forget... Still at war...

    Where is the republican help to pass for '09 and '10...
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