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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    lol. But yet it was the GOP who benefited the most with the Gerrymandered result.

    PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer: House Democrats won majority of 2012 popular vote
    LOL, absolutely amazing how brainwashed people like you are. Do you realize that the city of NY has almost as many people as the state of Ohio? Big cities vote Democratic and of course add to that discrepancy in votes. Liberal candidates in liberal states wins are going to create enough of that vote to give the Democrats total vote control but what does that matter? Please stop this bs and tell me why you continue to buy into Obamanomics? Why is it you support a large central govt. distributing money as they see fit vs. your state doing that? Do you really want that massive central govt. where Federal Bureaucrats control the purse strings and all money going to them to distribute?

    We had this discussion the other day and I knew you would ignore the response to come back with the same argument a few days later. Gerrymandering has occurred forever and it took the GOP 40 years to control the House of Representatives. Wonder why?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Interesting poll results! Do you think DC might finally pay attention to the people they represent? We've certainly been vocal enough about teling them all to "stop acting like children, and do your job!"

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    No, not in today's political age. I remember a time and I will use senate number where it would pass a bill with a vote something like 35 D's for 20 D's against and 20 R's for and 25 R's against. They bill would pass 55-45 with most of the senators voting the will of their state and people from their state. Today that same bill would pass 54 D's for 1 D against and perhaps 1 R for and 44 R's against.

    This is how politics in Washington has changed over the years. Neither party listens to the people or their constituents whom supposedly they represent. The same in the House.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Thanks to good old false equivalency.

    Here's how the negotiation went. The Democrats wanted a budget with $1018 Billion, the Republicans wanted a budget with $980 Billion. The Democrats said, fine.. make it clean and we'll go 980 Billion. The Republicans said. Oh, thanks for giving us exactly what we want. But now we also want you to cancel the ACA or else we'll shut down the government and crash the economy.

    The House Republican Tea party wing is clearly the cause of this. And it's a terrible precedent. What happens when we have a GOP senate and a GOP presidency? Do we want Nancy Pelosi to be able to demand medicare for everyone and 90% tax cuts on the rich or else she'll crash the economy?
    Oh I know the cause and who is responsible. But over time who caused it and who is responsible loses traction and fades from view. It soon becomes, let's just get this thing over and the blame start hitting both parties, right, wrong or indifferent. Now independents as a group, they do not pay that much attention to the daily goings on in Washington. They want to lead their lives, watch their football and baseball games and rarely tune into the news. What they have been seeing is the president and the senate majority leader on TV for a couple of minutes saying they will not negotiate. Whether that is wrong or right, is lost on them. They feel in Washington both parties should work together, negotiate and compromise. The truth gets lost and it is their perspective of the goings on that replaces the reality of the situation.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The solution is term limits but that is never going to happen as it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do that and liberals love having the control in major states like California, NY, Illinois.
    We do have term limits and it is called elections. Only the people never pay any attention to the real goings on in Washington. Most Americans only start to pay attention a few days or a week before an election. Everything else is lost and their vote is more on feel and perception than based on the issues and fact. A good slogan, talking points and loud rhetoric will carry the day.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Oh I know the cause and who is responsible. But over time who caused it and who is responsible loses traction and fades from view. It soon becomes, let's just get this thing over and the blame start hitting both parties, right, wrong or indifferent. Now independents as a group, they do not pay that much attention to the daily goings on in Washington. They want to lead their lives, watch their football and baseball games and rarely tune into the news. What they have been seeing is the president and the senate majority leader on TV for a couple of minutes saying they will not negotiate. Whether that is wrong or right, is lost on them. They feel in Washington both parties should work together, negotiate and compromise. The truth gets lost and it is their perspective of the goings on that replaces the reality of the situation.
    And therein lies the real problem; we have an uneducated apathetic voter base made up of individuals who are too easily swayed by propaganda.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    I have found the Edit Ignore list to be my friend lately.
    These klowns are pushing me to two pages but I'm willing to hand them a tree branch to get out of their quicksand.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Facts have a liberal bias---so I'm sure our friend Conservative will argue that what you wrote is just lefty propaganda.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We do have term limits and it is called elections. Only the people never pay any attention to the real goings on in Washington. Most Americans only start to pay attention a few days or a week before an election. Everything else is lost and their vote is more on feel and perception than based on the issues and fact. A good slogan, talking points and loud rhetoric will carry the day.
    We also have term limits in the state offices but somehow what is good enough for the states isn't good enough for the career politicians in D.C. I thought as you do but changed my mind as incumbents are difficult to unseat because of the power of the office and the national media. If term limits are good enough for the states, they should be good enough for national political office.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    And therein lies the real problem; we have an uneducated apathetic voter base made up of individuals who are too easily swayed by propaganda.
    Very true and both political parties thrive on that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Do you have the Military Channel?
    It is not just Military.
    Last night I caught an hour on the plagues.
    Only the last one is seemed to still be up for theory.
    I generally go until 2/3 AM, after sports and then the MC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We do have term limits and it is called elections. Only the people never pay any attention to the real goings on in Washington. Most Americans only start to pay attention a few days or a week before an election. Everything else is lost and their vote is more on feel and perception than based on the issues and fact. A good slogan, talking points and loud rhetoric will carry the day.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We also have term limits in the state offices but somehow what is good enough for the states isn't good enough for the career politicians in D.C. I thought as you do but changed my mind as incumbents are difficult to unseat because of the power of the office and the national media. If term limits are good enough for the states, they should be good enough for national political office.
    I was a big backer of term limits back in the 80's and 90's. The framers and founding fathers envision a farmer or a worker going to Washington to do the public business for a term or two, then returning to their job.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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