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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

    I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.
    Do you realize the reality of what you say?

    Look at this:



    Since President bush (41) did his 5 years military cut, spending there has been between about 15% to 20%. This is already severely cut from the cold war era and earlier. Now I think it's inexcusable that the Department of human Health and Human services has doubled since Reagan's time. Look at the Department of Treasury as well. Why has it increased so much since the 60's?

    It isn't military spending we need to reduce. We nee a plan to turn tax recipients into tax payer. That most likely means disassemble of these stupid free trade agreements Clinton signed. make imports cost more than they do today, so manufacturing returns here.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    fify.
    Can't stand the truth eh? Understandable.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???
    Little choice with all the programs that fall under mandatory spending. This makes it even more important not to start Obamacare.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Do you realize the reality of what you say?

    Look at this:



    Since President bush (41) did his 5 years military cut, spending there has been between about 15% to 20%. This is already severely cut from the cold war era and earlier. Now I think it's inexcusable that the Department of human Health and Human services has doubled since Reagan's time. Look at the Department of Treasury as well. Why has it increased so much since the 60's?

    It isn't military spending we need to reduce. We nee a plan to turn tax recipients into tax payer. That most likely means disassemble of these stupid free trade agreements Clinton signed. make imports cost more than they do today, so manufacturing returns here.
    You're behind the times.
    Made in USA: Wal-Mart inks deal with American toy maker - CBS News

    MFG is coming back. That's why the GOP is fighting tooth and nail now. They now the economy will be strong in 2016, and that means the D will win/

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Can't stand the truth eh? Understandable.
    No. Can't bear a liar.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No. Can't bear a liar.
    How do you live with yourself then?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Little choice with all the programs that fall under mandatory spending. This makes it even more important not to start Obamacare.
    I disagree. We will have plenty of money as more and more mfg returns to our shores. And, those jobs that come with it will all be high paying automation related jobs. It'll be another tech boom.

    Currently the problem is uninsured people going to emergency rooms instead of low-cost clinics. Obamacare aims to correct that. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than nothing? Of course.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How do you live with yourself then?


    Go back to Fox news. I'm sure they'll continue telling you what you want to hear.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    IMO, that's why we need Republicans and Democrats working together not holding their breath if one or the other does not get their way.
    that has been my opinion for a very long time. If the two major parties can't govern which it has looked like for a very long time they Can't. It is time to replace them. Replace them with people who put more value on being Americans and looking out for the country than being republicans and democrats and only looking out for their political party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    If those Democrats that reluctantly did end up voting for it needed to be bribed or threatened to get their vote, what was it that they didn't like about it? We know that one of the writers of ACA has called it a "trainwreck." Did he voice that opinion at the time, but was overruled? Too many questions here for something that is going to affect everybody, IMO. It's never good to have over half of the people in the country against a law that mandates they comply with the law!
    That was Senator Max Baucus of MT who choose not to run for re-election this year. Nelson of Nebraska and Landrieu of LA received bribes. Other senators and representatives were threaten with no funds from the DNC for re-election campaigns etc. Brow beat is another team.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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