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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No. The one they passed which clearly showed $2.9B in revenue versus $3.8 B in spending. That one.
    FY 2009 is the last passed budget.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It might effect me, it might not. I'm on an employer paid plan. It may change or it may not. I don't much care either way.

    ACA has a few things I like. I like that insurance companies must take on those with existing conditions. And, I understand that to do that the companies have to have a pool of healthy contributors. So the mandate is fine with me--I always believed it should be a law that you must carry insurance. However, I don't like how it's all being set up and the thing looks like a nightmare to manage.
    All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

    I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    How about the House passes a bill that doesn't include repealing or delaying the ACA?
    So by omission, you agree the House hasn't done anything the Constitution doesn't dictate they do.

    If one were to avoid the instructions streaming from the Progressive Machine, they would learn the House has done such a thing. The Democrats in the Senate have refused to consider it.

    Besides, it isn't for the Senate to demand the House do what they say. That's not how it works. Tens of millions are making sure the Congress understands that.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

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    Krugman isn't credible? Really? He's only a Nobel prize in economics winner, one of the top twenty highest rated economists among all kinds of other things. If you follow what he says over the years you'd find he's almost always right about everything. The people and views he goes after as being wrong so very often are. Yet he sucks? Ok then, who would you say is credible?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    new numbers from the shutdown fresh as of this AM.

    New Polls from this Morning:
    Republicans are taking more of the blame for a stalemate over the government shutdown. The parties have dug into their positions, two new polls show.
    A new poll from Washington Post/ABC found that disapproval of Republicans is up to 70 percent among American adults from 63 percent approval at the end of September. Disapproval of Democrats is up to 61 percent from 56 percent at the end of last month.

    In a PEW poll I found this interesting:
    As the conflict drags into its second week, both camps have dug in.. Forty-four percent of people say Republican leaders should give in on their demand that a budget deal include cuts or delays to the Affordable Care Act. An almost equal percentage, 42, say Mr. Obama should agree to changes to the law.

    Here is something both parties should listen to:
    The appetite for compromise is more than just a majority, Pew found. Sixty-one percent of those surveyed say lawmakers who share their views should be willing to make compromises; 29 percent say they should not.

    More from Pew
    Thirty-eight percent of Americans said Republicans were to blame for the shutdown, versus 30 percent who blame the Obama administration and 19 percent who blame both, according to the Pew poll, which was conducted in the days since the shutdown came to pass.

    And this:
    The ABC News/Washington Post poll, meanwhile, found that 70 percent of Americans disapprove of the way congressional Republicans are handling negotiations over the federal budget, while just 24 percent approve. (Last week, 26 percent approved of the GOP’s handling, and 63 percent disapproved.)
    Congressional Democrats also suffered: 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the way they’re handling the budget (up from 56 percent last week), while 35 percent approve (up one point from last week).
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So by omission, you agree the House hasn't done anything the Constitution doesn't dictate they do.

    If one were to avoid the instructions streaming from the Progressive Machine, they would learn the House has done such a thing. The Democrats in the Senate have refused to consider it.

    Besides, it isn't for the Senate to demand the House do what they say. That's not how it works. Tens of millions are making sure the Congress understands that.
    The House has tied in first repealing and now delaying enactment of an existing law with their appropriations bill. That's not exactly a good faith measure.

    Nobody but the Fox News crowd buy this nonsense you're selling. FYI.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

    I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.
    IMO, that's why we need Republicans and Democrats working together not holding their breath if one or the other does not get their way.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

    I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.
    Greetings, Pero.

    If those Democrats that reluctantly did end up voting for it needed to be bribed or threatened to get their vote, what was it that they didn't like about it? We know that one of the writers of ACA has called it a "trainwreck." Did he voice that opinion at the time, but was overruled? Too many questions here for something that is going to affect everybody, IMO. It's never good to have over half of the people in the country against a law that mandates they comply with the law!

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The House has tied in first repealing and now delaying enactment of an existing law with their appropriations bill. That's not exactly a good faith measure.

    Nobody but the Fox News crowd buy this nonsense you're selling. FYI.
    Yea right. "Nobody". Always love the "absolute" type statements.

    The members of the House of Representatives are doing exactly what the Constitution requires them to do.

    The Senate doesn't like it, and is demanding the House of Representatives do exactly what they want, or else. We're witnessing the Democrats "or else".

    Despite commands and marketing from the Progressive Machine, the Democrats actions can't be hidden. It's great they aren't. Allowing the citizens of this country to witness first hand what Democrats are doing is a very good thing.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    An interesting aside....

    Veterans are being kept out of their Washington war memorials, but they've been opened up for pro-immigration-reform protestors.

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